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How realistic is The Wind That Shakes the Barley?

  • 04-04-2010 10:48pm
    #1
    Kotek Besar
    Registered Users Posts: 3,601 ✭✭✭Kotek Besar


    I know it's not a true story as such. The characters and plot are fictional, however based in a real situation.

    But how realistic is it?

    Does it portray the Irish as romantic, idealistic resistance fighters who take to violence only because there is no other self-respecting course, while portraying the British as blood-thirsty, sadistic, murdering psychopaths? How accurate is all this? Is the movie fair and balanced, or is it biased?


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  • #2
    CreepingDeath
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,016 ✭✭✭CreepingDeath


    They tuk ur land !


  • #3
    PK2008
    Registered Users Posts: 2,219 ✭✭✭PK2008


    Its true, Cork people really do talk like that


  • #4
    bonerm
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,595 ✭✭✭bonerm


    More realistic that Michael Collins (1995) anyway.


  • #5
    bazmaiden
    Registered Users Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭bazmaiden


    At least julia roberts isn't in it


  • #6
    Anastasia Nutty Beach
    Closed Accounts Posts: 27,944 ✭✭✭✭ Anastasia Nutty Beach


    PK2008 wrote: »
    Its true, Cork people really do talk like that

    I laughed through the whole film because of their stupid accents.


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  • #7
    orourkeda
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,919 ✭✭✭✭orourkeda


    bazmaiden wrote: »
    At least julia roberts isn't in it

    That's always a good thing


  • #8
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    It's a film with goodies and baddies. As with most things in history when you look into it the truth usually falls in the middle.


  • #9
    galwayrush
    Registered Users Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Accents in fairness were more realistic than Tom Cruise in Far and Away:D


  • #10
    ejmaztec
    Registered Users Posts: 23,973 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    I know it's not a true story as such. The characters and plot are fictional, however based in a real situation.

    But how realistic is it?

    Does it portray the Irish as romantic, idealistic resistance fighters who take to violence only because there is no other self-respecting course, while portraying the British as blood-thirsty, sadistic, murdering psychopaths? How accurate is all this? Is the movie fair and balanced, or is it biased?

    I was particularly fond of the little Leprechaun chappies, and the bint who chewed the poisonous apple.


  • #11
    R0ot
    Registered Users Posts: 4,473 ✭✭✭R0ot


    It's true, Ireland is very green. :pac:


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  • #12
    Joey the lips
    Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    Just watching it all always think the same.... No wonder it took us 800 years to get them out...

    We were gob****es.


  • #13
    galwayrush
    Registered Users Posts: 12,815 ✭✭✭✭galwayrush


    Joey the lips wrote: »
    Just watching it all always think the same.... No wonder it took us 800 years to get them out...

    We were gob****es.

    Sadly we didn't end up much better with the way our own gob****es ****ed the country.


  • #14
    RichTea
    Registered Users Posts: 1,179 ✭✭✭RichTea


    100% inaccurate!

    It's in colour...everything was in black and white in those days.


  • #15
    Ophelia Unimportant Leper
    Closed Accounts Posts: 10,838 ✭✭✭✭ Ophelia Unimportant Leper


    I dunno, but it's a deadly film anyways.


  • #16
    fulhamfanincork
    Closed Accounts Posts: 882 ✭✭✭fulhamfanincork


    Anastasia Nutty Beach wrote: »
    I laughed through the whole film because of their stupid accents.

    If only there was a thumbs down option ,like.

    Our accent is unique and top class boi.


  • #17
    My name is URL
    Registered Users Posts: 25,057 ✭✭✭✭My name is URL


    The sentiment between characters in the movie is probably played up a lot, but the events that took place are very real.. it caused a lot of controversy because of how depictive it was.


  • #18
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    although it's biased, most of it is factually accurate. it also shows most of the pro treatyites as me feiners which has to be a good thing :)


  • #19
    Dionysus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    There was one scene near the start which was poignant beyond words. Go to 5.10 here where the British guy shouts 'Name!" to the Irishman:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC7MZSkEQEg


  • #20
    sock puppet
    Registered Users Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Bambi wrote: »
    although it's biased, most of it is factually accurate. it also shows most of the pro treatyites as me feiners which has to be a good thing :)

    As far as I'm aware the civil war was fought over the failure to achieve a republic. The whole capitalists/socialists thing seems like a load of crap. The Labour Party were hardly committed republicans.


  • #21
    Dionysus
    Registered Users Posts: 3,420 ✭✭✭Dionysus


    Christ just watching it for the first time in 3 years and that brings tears to my eyes just watching the Irish guys scream "Michael O'Sullivan is his name! He's 17 years of age! Michael O'Sullivan is his name!" while Mícheál Ó Súilleabháin was being beaten to death inside.

    Bastards.


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  • #22
    bazmaiden
    Registered Users Posts: 2,039 ✭✭✭bazmaiden


    Anastasia Nutty Beach wrote: »
    I laughed through the whole film because of their stupid accents.

    you obviously weren't paying too much attention to the subject matter if you laughed the whole way through


  • #23
    OutlawPete
    Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0dd5Fu2M9hk


  • #24
    grenache
    Registered Users Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    Kotek Besar wrote: »
    I know it's not a true story as such. The characters and plot are fictional, however based in a real situation.

    But how realistic is it?

    Does it portray the Irish as romantic, idealistic resistance fighters who take to violence only because there is no other self-respecting course, while portraying the British as blood-thirsty, sadistic, murdering psychopaths? How accurate is all this? Is the movie fair and balanced, or is it biased?
    You do realise the 'Brits' in question in this film were the Black and Tans? The most savage group of armed mercenaries ever to set foot in this country.


  • #25
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    And here come the 700 YEARSSSS brigade.


  • #26
    [Deleted User]
    Posts: 0 ✭[Deleted User]


    sock puppet wrote: »
    As far as I'm aware the civil war was fought over the failure to achieve a republic. The whole capitalists/socialists thing seems like a load of crap. The Labour Party were hardly committed republicans.

    There was a big socialist movement in Ireland in the early 1900's. Sure look at the founders of many of the trade unions and look at some of the early big republican names, James Connolly etc.

    Even in 1916 there was lots of commie bollox thrown into the mix because they needed to get the workers army involved.


  • #27
    Moomoo1
    Registered Users Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Moomoo1


    Dionysus wrote: »
    There was one scene near the start which was poignant beyond words. Go to 5.10 here where the British guy shouts 'Name!" to the Irishman:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rC7MZSkEQEg

    I found the fighting between the Irish much more disturbing. Foreign invaders are one thing, a civil war that makes former neighbours and/or relatives kill each other is quite another.

    and the Socialist element was there - quite a lot of the 'opposition' in the Civil war had links to the International.


  • #28
    Dyr
    Registered Users Posts: 23,246 ✭✭✭✭Dyr


    sock puppet wrote: »
    As far as I'm aware the civil war was fought over the failure to achieve a republic. The whole capitalists/socialists thing seems like a load of crap. The Labour Party were hardly committed republicans.

    It's not suprising given Loachs' background. I do remember reading tom barry's ( I think) thoughts around the treaty saying that even before the treaty the guys in dublin running much of the provisional government had started getting used to the idea of power and were looking after their own interests already. Personally I think one of the reasons Ireland wound up such a conservative and "unsocial" country was because we lost so many progressive thinkers due to their opposition to the treaty. Probably much like Spain after their civil war.


  • #29
    Mr Benevolent
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,456 ✭✭✭✭Mr Benevolent


    grenache wrote: »
    You do realise the 'Brits' in question in this film were the Black and Tans? The most savage group of armed mercenaries ever to set foot in this country.

    What about Cromwell's lot?
    Actually Cromwell is very misrepresented in Irish history, but let's not ruin a good UK-bashing thread with facts!


  • #30
    sock puppet
    Registered Users Posts: 4,586 ✭✭✭sock puppet


    Rojomcdojo wrote: »
    There was a big socialist movement in Ireland in the early 1900's. Sure look at the founders of many of the trade unions and look at some of the early big republican names, James Connolly etc.

    Even in 1916 there was lots of commie bollox thrown into the mix because they needed to get the workers army involved.

    But is there any evidence it had anything to do with the split in the movement? Again, the Labour Party didn't walk out on the Dail with the rest of those who disagreed with the Treaty.


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  • #31
    grenache
    Registered Users Posts: 6,477 ✭✭✭grenache


    Confab wrote: »
    What about Cromwell's lot?
    Actually Cromwell is very misrepresented in Irish history, but let's not ruin a good UK-bashing thread with facts!
    sorry, i meant one of..


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