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  • 28-07-2014 7:58am
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    Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭


    Off to France in three weeks in the camper van. As this is my first time trip would welcome any info or tipps from campers who have made the trip. Mostly does and don't many thanks in advance


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  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭T650


    Buy diesel at supermarkets not on motorway


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭moodrater


    If you're looking for classy campsites it well worth getting the ACSI app for android has current years inspectors report, real pictures and you can filter by type of pitch, price, facilities etc. Its less than 2 euro for all the inspected sites in France.

    If you're looking for Aires we found the Aires campingcar-infos app was most comprehensive needs WiFi or a data connection.

    If you don't want to spend your holidays pushing a trolley around a shop just head for lidl its half to a third of the price of e.leclerc and carrefour, super u etc. and the layout is similar to here. No fresh milk though. We also found that the small carrefour city stores were often cheaper than their larger sister shops for certain items we wanted some did frozen bottles of water which are great for the fridge in 30 degree heat and had much less queuing.

    We did hardly any driving this holiday as we found in southern Brittany there's a town every 2-4km at the coast a beach nearly every km no need to go far.

    We got a lebara sim which worked out grand with 20 euro credit for calls and data. I discovered they are transparently caching site data and deliberately restricting port 80 traffic. I could torrent at 800kb per second but you could barely load a webpage until after midnight. I see other people say you can use a 3uk sim with 'like home' in France might be a better option.

    ADAC is a good idea for breakdown. Ours didn't come through in time so we ended up paying double the annual .membership to AA for less than a months cover. My cousins gearbox packed in in the Pyrenees while we were there and he paid €1800 to get a flatbed back to the ferry I'd hate to think what it would have cost for a camper van.

    If you sailing in with LD lines then definitely pay a visit to LA croisic the west side of LA baule, piriac sur mer and the walled town part of guerande.


  • Registered Users Posts: 179 ✭✭pastense


    If you don't drive too much and try to take in too much you will find some smashing places to stay. Look at Municipal campsites for good value and usually good locations close to towns, shops etc, cutting down on the diesel cost etc and meeting plenty of French people. Have a look at this for some info.

    http://www.camping-municipal.org/


  • Registered Users Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Moomat


    Off to France in three weeks in the camper van. As this is my first time trip would welcome any info or tipps from campers who have made the trip. Mostly does and don't many thanks in advance

    One of the great things about France is that you can do it really cheap or have a really high end experience. Either way its the most campervan friendly country Ive ever been to.

    what type of holiday are you after, campsites with all the bells and whistles or aires etc with a bit of rural France?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 384 ✭✭SeamusG97


    +1 to all of this.
    You can download the Aires /parking/etc from www.campingcar-Infos.com and install them on your GPS as Points of Interest. This means you don't need a data connection to use them. Did this myself last week as I forgot my usual guidebook ( All the Aires) Best done using a laptop.
    Lidl are everywhere and all look and feel the same across any country I've been to. Great value as a given. However it would be a pity not to visit at least one of the larger supermarkets. They sell everything you can think of - food drink hardware clothes - even van hire in some. They are the cheapest places for fuel as well.
    Lastly If you intend going beyond the most touristy places then a few (very few) words of French will get you a long way. If you make the effort it is always appreciated and will generate a lot of goodwill.
    Have a great holiday.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭moodrater


    Irish flag is handy too they've much friendlier when they know you're not a 'rosbif' and yes they seem oblivious to the IRL on your number plate for some reason. We got such a frosty reception one place I think they thought we were israeli - tricolour sorted that out and the neighbours were over playing guitar in about 5 mins.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭TrailerBob


    Depends on how far south you plan on going. I'm just back from Italy and St.Tropez, our 6th time on the continent. Admittedly we go in a jeep and camp in our tent, but same idea.

    I have heard many people say to use the routes nationals to avoid tolls. This is fine if you plan on driving 100km from the ferry. If you are going to the Dordogne, or Ardeche or further south, then pay the tolls and use the autoroute. Even with seasonal traffic jams (Paris and Lyon especially) it's much faster, and well worth the €70 or so. A 700km drive with 50kph limits every 10 minutes is not fun.

    That said you will pay a premium for diesel on the autoroute. At the minute it's about €1.43, but if you go into a town or off he autoroute a bit you can pay as little as €1.22.

    I'm assuming you have booked campsite pitches. Most campsites are very good in France, I can't speak for the municipal ones or aires though. If you want premium campsites for around €60 per night, then I'd recommend Yelloh village - that have about 60 sites and their standards are exceptional.

    France is very easy to get around, and signage tends to be very good.

    I'd agree to some extent about Lidl being handy for basic supplies, but the hypermarket chains, especially Géant Casino have such a range of fresh food it's hard to say no. The seafood is worth the visit alone usually. If you are looking for good value in wine, then go to an Auchan supermarket.much cheaper than the others, and a great selection of decent wines.

    Last of all, even if you have no French, try to speak it if you can - most salespeople will cop straight away and answer in English, but they will appreciate you making the effort and be nicer as a result. If you go straight in with English, the assume you are English and are "less forthcoming"

    Hope you enjoy the trip.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭moodrater


    Jeep is class 1, class 2 camper costs about 40‰ more in tolls. f you're over 3m tall the automsted toll both will register you as class 3 which is more than twice the price for roads and can be 4 times the price for bridges and tunnels you have to press the intercom and ask for class 2. If you have a good GPS you can still use thousand of km of motorway and avoid tolls.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,503 ✭✭✭TrailerBob


    Ouch, fair point... I did pay class 2 last year with a big box trailer, and it was about that much more alright. If you planned to take a few days going down I suppose that would be a better prospect.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭moodrater


    TrailerBob wrote: »
    Ouch, fair point... I did pay class 2 last year with a big box trailer, and it was about that much more alright. If you planned to take a few days going down I suppose that would be a better prospect.

    The via michelin routing is good you can choose, fastest, shortest, most economical etc. and it will give you class 1 tolls which you can use to estimate class 2 tolls. Over the suggested route there are three alternative routes so you can weigh up paying tolls vs time.

    One I looked at was Roscoff to Nimes
    - 13 hours by motorway and 17 hours avoiding tolls. 13 hours in the van on the motorway would be a killer but the tolls saved on the longer route would put us up in a 4 star hotel with dinner in bordeaux or limoges to split the journey or 3 nights in 4 star campsites along the route.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 19,307 ✭✭✭✭alastair


    Watch out for the 'priority to the right' rule at intersections - although most have signposted over-rides, there's still a lot of them about - and not always on complete back roads.

    http://www.vendee-guide.co.uk/priority-a-droite.htm


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 142 ✭✭Dexter Bip


    Just go with it and have a good time. There isn't a more motorhome friendly country anywhere. All the advice given is spot on. Driving is easier than at home. Roads Like England only without the traffic ( mostly) Use the autoroutes if you're in a hurry to get to somewhere far away. Otherwise set your GPS to avoid tolls ( not motorways) and you'll have a nice compromise. Don't know now far you are going - for two weeks you might think of going as far south as Bordeaux as the weather is more dependable. Biscarosse Plage is worth a visit - great aire with beach - beach bar /forest/cycling tracks/ town/ campsite next door. If you want guaranteed sunshine then head for Provence ( We're here now (en famille) and it's worth the journey) Pm if you're interested in more detail.


  • Registered Users Posts: 295 ✭✭OuterBombie


    Good stuff,

    Plenty of tips there, off next week myself for the 7th time to France in the camper, spot the road-eating grin departing the Ferry in Cherbourg :D

    Agree 100% with the auto-route option if you are travelling south and want to make ground in a hurry. The tolls are harsh and I wish I had cruise control but its a great way to race to the sun.

    Alternatively Brittany has it all with something new and interesting around every corner.

    My #1 tip: Pretty much everything is CLOSED on a Sunday. I have to admire this but if you arriving or leaving on the lords day of rest factor that in (Super's with fuel outlets usually have automatic offerings so they can still be used).

    #2 Download custom poi's for your gps - supermarkets, campsites, Mickey D's, etc. A lifesaver if you need to improvise on the road.

    #3 Bring a gps - see #2.

    #4 Micky D's have free wifi - bout the only place you'll get it free.

    #5 Be conscious of driving in and around big cities Mon-Sat during rush hour periods. Traffic, even on the ring roads, can get very heavy.

    #6 Enjoy, as others have pointed out, its a great country for campers. The attitude between there and here would bring a tear to the eye.

    Will wave if I pass you on the road (or vice versa!)


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,191 ✭✭✭✭Nekarsulm


    Heading 21st August, first time in our new (to us) motorhome. Been 4 times in the old van.Can't wait. If you enjoy a day poking around markets etc, there is a little orange book listing every market/antique/flea market in each region. available in good size newsagents. I try and park as far as possible from other English speaking pockets in camp grounds, but that's just me.............


  • Registered Users Posts: 4 John_DON


    If you can avoid it, do not move\change sites on a Saturday. This is changeover day on many sites and can be very busy.
    Sunday is a good day for driving as trucks are off the roads.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,322 ✭✭✭killalanerr


    I always enjoy this sort of thread,heres a link to one of the old ones their might be a few tips for you,the link for calculating tolls can be useful

    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2056300209


  • Registered Users Posts: 839 ✭✭✭kelbal


    Regarding the milk, the non-fresh UHT stuff has vastly improved over the years. We used to be always making two supermarket stops daily, Lidl for value and Carrefour for fresh milk. This year was so much less hassle by sticking to Lidl for UHT, its grand. If you're shopping in the French brand supermarket's all the time you'll definitely notice your shopping bill is pricier than home

    Definitely try the Aire's. Get this book if you have time, will probably arrive within the week, its our bible...... https://www.vicarious-shop.com/All-the-Aires-France-edition-4.html
    Yes, there can be some nice campsites, but generally the experience gets repetetive - you're stuck 3+ km outside a town with nowhere to go once you're parked up. The Aire's let you truly explore the real France. There's plenty of company in them and for the most part are great spots.

    Bring a length (at least 15ft) of garden hose with the standard hozelock clip-on connection and the bit for screwing on to a tap, will make life alot easier when it comes to using a tap to refill your fresh water.


  • Registered Users Posts: 660 ✭✭✭Moomat


    Forgot to mention France Passion, fantastic scheme that really allows you to see rural France at it's best! Basically you pay a years membership which is around €30 and you can stay at 1000's of farms,vineyards etc for free. Max stay is 2 nights if I remember correctly
    http://www.france-passion.com/

    Another low cost scheme that is just starting:
    http://www.camping-car-park.com/


  • Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    moodrater wrote: »
    ....the tolls saved on the longer route would put us up in a 4 star hotel with dinner in bordeaux or limoges to split the journey or 3 nights in 4 star campsites along the route.

    I often wonder about the actual economy of avoiding tolls factoring in added expense of vehicle wear & diesel on a longer route with a few hundred more gear changes and the alternator dragging from mega-resistors known as fridge and road lighting.

    Not that I give it much precedence because I prefer the scenic route.
    So rough maths; say I add 75 city miles to the route that's €20 diesel, alternator is costing me an additional €1.20 for the extra 4 hours with a 300W load, I'm sure the rest is equally negligible...who cares I'm on holidays, just something to occupy my mind on the way round...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭moodrater


    I often wonder about the actual economy of avoiding tolls factoring in added expense of vehicle wear & diesel on a longer route with a few hundred more gear changes and the alternator dragging from mega-resistors known as fridge and road lighting.

    Not that I give it much precedence because I prefer the scenic route.
    So rough maths; say I add 75 city miles to the route that's €20 diesel, alternator is costing me an additional €1.20 for the extra 4 hours with a 300W load, I'm sure the rest is equally negligible...who cares I'm on holidays, just something to occupy my mind on the way round...

    You could also argue the other way. The shorter time on the motorway is largely based on driving an average of 30km faster. Due to brick aerodynamics I get about 4-5mpg more on the scenic route than motorway, tyre wear probably increases significantly with speed and higher temp on the motorway. Lack of gear changes in the early ducato contributes to 5th gear failure due to poor lubrication. Some tolls are totally worth it others not so much. In the end of the day I just take whatever road I feel like at the time thats the glory of a camper van after all you don't need a plan.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,720 ✭✭✭Sir Arthur Daley


    Its swings and roundabouts.


  • Registered Users Posts: 37,295 ✭✭✭✭the_syco


    moodrater wrote: »
    Irish flag is handy too they've much friendlier when they know you're not a 'rosbif' and yes they seem oblivious to the IRL on your number plate for some reason. We got such a frosty reception one place I think they thought we were israeli - tricolour sorted that out and the neighbours were over playing guitar in about 5 mins.
    On the "we are Irish" bit, when you ask if they speak english, DO NOT ASK IF THEY SPEAK ENGLISH. As they'll say no, and be uncooperative.

    Ask "do you speak Ireland", and you'll usually get all smiles, followed by conversation in english.

    Esp if you're in Nantes. Got a really frosty reception there when asking if they spoke english. No hotels, etc, had rooms. Found out about the "speak Ireland" bit, and got offered rooms in the first hotel we used the line. After that, any shop, off license, etc, grand. Some french lad even packed 8 or us (big heavy metalers) into his small car, and drove us 30 minutes up the road and then refused money, as his cousin or brother stayed in Ireland for a summer 10 years ago. They all love the Irish!


  • Posts: 5,238 ✭✭✭ [Deleted User]


    moodrater wrote: »
    You could also argue the other way. The shorter time on the motorway is largely based on driving an average of 30km faster.

    Yeah it's a funny route, avoiding tolls is about 100km shorter.
    I do 75kmh on the motorway, I've only got 4 gears and a low despite the stick saying 5. I went south through France, avoiding tolls and north through Germany, no tolls, last year and saved ½ a tank on the return.

    Swings and roundabouts...


  • Registered Users Posts: 289 ✭✭noel farrell


    Many thanks for all the post's you have been a great help I will put the little tips to good use


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,549 ✭✭✭*Kol*


    If you are doing 75kmh then the scenic route would work out great. A lot of modern MH will cruise at over 100kmh so the motorways would work out quicker.


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