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Insurence..

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  • 08-05-2010 9:42pm
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    Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭


    I dont know if this is in the right thread but its not a general enquiry
    about insurence but the aspects of insurence.

    I am living in my own place 8 years now. As a condition i must insure the house and protect the bank... You catch the jist if you own a house.

    I have had 2 leaks in my roofs in different places... The irony is i got the leak fixed myself and seen as though there was no damaged to wardrobes etc there was no need to rely on the insurence.... But here is the irony.. My roof could have been leaking away to itself on a slow leak for weeks. The insulation is so thick in my attic I prob would never see the water. So I imagine if wet root setted in I would be in trouble as my policy would not cover me.

    There is other instances of this. I had to call home bond for my house and i was advised that they do not cover the firswt 800 euro.. Now as the damage only amonted to 600 I figured no point in bothering them again.

    So finally to my point... When you take out an insurence policy you receive a receipt and a bucklet. The bucklet is quite vague... Then you have an accident. Under the terms of your policy if the accident is causing on going damage then you need to stop the damage straight away... So you do.

    But it always seems to me no matter what you do, there is someone in the insurence company waiting to tell you your not insured or the amount you want you will not receive....

    Am I making sense.... Has anyone else experienced this...?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    But it always seems to me no matter what you do, there is someone in the insurence company waiting to tell you your not insured or the amount you want you will not receive....

    Am I making sense.... Has anyone else experienced this...?
    You have to remember that insurance firms are businesses who are out to make money. Just like any other business.

    If you want to know more any Leaving Cert business text book will explain to you the principles of insurance.


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    You have to remember that insurance firms are businesses who are out to make money. Just like any other business.

    If you want to know more any Leaving Cert business text book will explain to you the principles of insurance.

    With due respect thats insulting to my intelligence.. I know the rules of business. My problem is simple... Insurence is designed to protect...The only person it truly protects is its share holder....

    Have you any experience....>


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    With due respect thats insulting to my intelligence.. I know the rules of business. My problem is simple... Insurence is designed to protect...The only person it truly protects is its share holder....

    Have you any experience....>
    I apologise if I insulted your intelligence, that wasn't my goal. I only ment to point you towards an answer to your question.

    Insurence companies are not designed to protect you, they are designed to cover your risk for a paid amount. The risks that they cover are laid out and if an accident happens that is not covered by the company then they won't pay. As would be expected under any business.

    There are six principles of insurance:

    Insurable interest:
    One must benifite from the existence of the insured item and suffer from its loss. This basically means that while you may be able to insure your own property you cannot insure your neighbours property.

    Indemnity:
    One cannot profit from the loss of the insured item. Basically you cannot recieve more money from the insurance company then you have lost. For example if you damage your car for £600 you cannot recieve any more then £600 from the insurance company.

    Utmost good faith:
    All of relevent information must be provided by the insuree when applying for insurance. The coverage will be declared void if the insuree has been found to leave out information prior to paying the premium. For example leaving out a previous road accident when applying for motor insurance.

    Subrogation:
    Having paid compensation the policy holder has the right claim the ability to sue the third party responsible for the for the loss. By claiming compensation the insuree loses that ability to sue to the policy holder.

    Contribution:
    If the insuree holds coverage for the same risk from one or more policy holder then the policy holder has the right to pay only a fraction for the cost of risk. For example if one has motor insurance from three policy holders and is involved in an road accident one can claim only one thrid of the policy from each policy holder.

    Average clause:
    One can only recieve compensation equal to the percentage the risk was covered. For example if one is half insured one will recieve only half the compensation for a loss suffered.

    These are the six principles of insurance and in my mind they are very fair. When dealing with insurance companies if one keeps in mind these principles as well as the idea that the insurance company exists to screw one over then one should be fine.

    I hope this helped. :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 8,390 ✭✭✭The Big Red Button


    Iwasfrozen wrote: »
    There are six principles of insurance:

    etc etc etc

    That's some nice copying and pasting you've got going on there. ;) So tell me, how would you go about applying your wealth of information to the OPs particular situation? Do you have any actual opinions/insights of your own on the whole issue?


  • Registered Users Posts: 16,250 ✭✭✭✭Iwasfrozen


    That's some nice copying and pasting you've got going on there. ;) So tell me, how would you go about applying your wealth of information to the OPs particular situation? Do you have any actual opinions/insights of your own on the whole issue?
    It wasn't copyed and pasted. I summerised the passage from my text book.

    I don't have any opinions in the OPs case because, quite simply I don't know him or anything about his damaged roof or even what company he toke out his policy with !

    Since we don't personally know the OP best thing we can do is give him general advice and information. Which I hope I have done in my previous post.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    Sorry folks... You seem to be missing my point. Which i will try to explain easier... Insurence is designed to protect you but the "claims specialist" seems to be doing there best to make sure the company does not pay out. In fact I dred contacting insurences companies for a claim as you never end up getting in the tin whats on the tin... Perhaps if you had dealings you would understand.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,745 ✭✭✭Eliot Rosewater


    I presume that it's a case of both parties (you and the company) signing a contract. If they are messing you around (and it wouldn't be the first time someone has complained of this) and you feel you have adequate grounds for your position, you could contact your solicitor.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 39,022 ✭✭✭✭Permabear


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    This post has been deleted.

    It was not ment to be a question which is answered by insurence it was more of a morality question....in otherwords for all the claims that insurence makes about makeing your home and life safe it then does its level best to avoid paying out....

    The lack of answers either shows there is no general interest or I am just getting to techanical for boards... I reckon its the latter... :)

    You would have been better deleating the thread.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    What's a Bucklet?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    Blackjack wrote: »
    What's a Bucklet?

    I give up...whats a bucklet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,592 ✭✭✭Blackjack


    So finally to my point... When you take out an insurence policy you receive a receipt and a bucklet. The bucklet is quite vague...

    What do you mean by bucklet?


  • Registered Users Posts: 10,262 ✭✭✭✭Joey the lips


    Blackjack wrote: »
    What do you mean by bucklet?

    Tbh I cant remember what i ment...Do you think you could has a guess?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,452 ✭✭✭gogo


    As above insurance companies are businesses! When people buy a policy, most people (in my experience) will buy on price and not really get into what the policy covers, and that in itself is a minefield but you have a right to know before you pay for a policy. So in reality you can sit and ask four hundred questions in the line of: "does my policy cover a tree falling on the roof". Does the policy seller have to sit and go through every eventuality of castrophies that may happen, of course not, the list is endless.
    If you make a claim and you are covered for it, you will recieve the money.
    For example, my home place is about two hundred years old, so my mother literally has to ask fifty questions realting to problems that may arise with old houses. Does that mean everything is covered that she didnt think of to ask, of course not
    Its up to you to fully read and understand the booklet supplied with your policy. If your reading it and arent happy, your within your right to move your policy to another company at any time, a company that suits your needs.
    The main problem here is not morals, but people assuming that all policys are like for like whereas they most certainly are not. Buyer beware and all that.


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