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21-02-2012, 01:49   #76
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peta puts animals down.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=inFtOMx8nDU

What animal lover would do that ?
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21-02-2012, 01:53   #77
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Now I’m all for treating animals ok, no kicking them down stairs, setting them on fire etc but seriously?

In my opinion PETA do more harm than good to animal welfare. If they had been sane and explained in a calm manner that the whales were obviously in distress (by science not aura or feeling) and attempted something through the courts that way in an effort to improve conditions, get them released then fine.

But calling the Whales plaintiffs is just causing a mockery of the Justice system and people like me who care about animals suddenly find themselves distancing from the ideas of these nutters.
You agree with ethical treatment of animals, agree that the case PETA have is entirely logical and based on good cause of the mistreatment of whales but call them "nutters" because of their presentation?

PETA are bad at PR and thats about it.
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21-02-2012, 08:47   #78
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You agree with ethical treatment of animals, agree that the case PETA have is entirely logical and based on good cause of the mistreatment of whales but call them "nutters" because of their presentation?

PETA are bad at PR and thats about it.
if you read some of my other posts you'll see its worse than just bad PR or them being nutters.

They are not helping their cause, if you ask anyone you'll nearly always be be told (there are some psychos and eco haters) that animals shouldn't be abused and deserve a decent life.

that goes without saying but what PETA are doing is making people who mention that they are for animal rights out to be painted with the same brush as they paint PETA with.

oh you are for animal rights? so you're like one of them PETA nutters? Did ya hear the story about them calling for whales to be covered with a bit of paper that starts with "We the people....". they are crazy people can't believe you agree
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Chickens can be classified as broilers (bred for meat) or layers (bred for eggs) - or as hybrids. It is common for broilers to have their legs break under their own weight, since they have been bred purely to grow big fast. Meanwhile male layers are destroyed as chicks and the chickens often have had any impulse to look after or even sit on their eggs bred out of them.
This occurs in large factory farms yes, but for the most part, especially here in Ireland even, I have noticed Free-Range smaller farmers are very popular. I refuse to buy eggs/chicken that is not free-range. That way they have a quality of life then when alive. If everyone did this then it would send the message that only free range should be sold, but I am not going to stop eating chicken altogether, because even if they make good pets, no one is going to keep all the chickens in Ireland!

Humane treatment of animals is a good thing, me giving up beef and chicken because some idiot thinks I should be eating grass is not!
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PETA infuriate me as they do nothing to champion the animal rights cause, all they seem to do is make a mockery of it by acting like complete numpties.
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This occurs in large factory farms yes, but for the most part, especially here in Ireland even, I have noticed Free-Range smaller farmers are very popular.
While "free range" is a better life for the chickens it's not a huge difference from standard intensive farming. It's just less birds and a few amenities. It should be the base standard, it's defiantly an improvement but there's still a lot of room for improvement.
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While "free range" is a better life for the chickens it's not a huge difference from standard intensive farming. It's just less birds and a few amenities. It should be the base standard, it's defiantly an improvement but there's still a lot of room for improvement.
Except the low prices farmers are getting for chickens will ensure this will never happen. The most of the profits made from the selling of meats is made by the butchers/shop owners.

It really is a no win situation. Because if they increase the profits for farmers, the consumer will have to pay more, and that means that cheaper alternatives will be more sought after, meaning that intensive factory farming will be made more popular.
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Whale tastes surprisingly nice, its like red meat but a taste of fish

Id recommend.
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I hate that PETA give all vegans and vegetarians a bad name by the way they go about everything they do. They try to get a shock reaction through all their publicity stunts and don't seem to realise it does nothing but turn people against them, and some people seem to associate all vegans/vegetarians with PETA.

Most vegans/vegetarians, myself included, are not nutters, and do not agree with a lot of PETA's actions.
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A team of experts has said dolphins should be given the same rights to life and liberty as humans because of their high levels of intelligence and self-awareness.
..Simpsons, it's been done.
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21-02-2012, 23:05   #89
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What animal lover would do that ?
What animal lover would sabotage animal rights by having a mock trial or something with whales as plantiffs and preseumably a monkey judge in a kangeroo court!
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Imagine if these people got into government.
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