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Eircom To Block Users From Connecting To The Pirate Bay

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  • Registered Users Posts: 16,288 ✭✭✭✭ntlbell


    ssh solves everything.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,807 ✭✭✭✭Orion


    homer911 wrote: »
    I've noticed this in Vodafone's home broadband package T&C's:

    "....The service may not be used for peer to peer data usage..."

    So, for example, if you play World of Warcraft and use Blizzzards downloader to get updates you're in breach of the Vodafone T&C. What idiot wrote that?


  • Registered Users Posts: 529 ✭✭✭Fergus




  • Registered Users Posts: 631 ✭✭✭Wcool


    Do you think this move was discussed with the new owner?
    I wonder if Singapore Telecom is approving this.
    Sounds like commercial suicide to me and maybe some nasty legal battles to establish if this kind of practice is allowed.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    Wcool wrote: »
    Do you think this move was discussed with the new owner?

    Singapore Telecom don't own eircom yet, and will have no input in the decisions of the company at this point.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,427 ✭✭✭Dotsie~tmp


    Does anybody really believe that any block wont be circumvented within a minute. They are fighting the tide. Best learn how to swim.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,960 ✭✭✭Ranicand


    Once they start blocking sites things will get worse fast.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Internet_blackholes.svg

    Blue No censorship
    Yellow Some censorship
    Red Under surveillance
    Black Internet black holes (most heavily censored nations)


    We are already yellow.


    Internet_blackholes.svg


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,965 ✭✭✭Syferus


    Ranicand wrote: »
    Once they start blocking sites things will get worse fast.

    http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/9e/Internet_blackholes.svg

    Blue No censorship
    Yellow Some censorship
    Red Under surveillance
    Black Internet black holes (most heavily censored nations)


    We are already yellow.


    Internet_blackholes.svg

    As are just about every major western country besides Australia, who have a chequered history with all forms of state censorship.

    I wouldn't call the death knell of anything but record label's pursuit of peer-to-peer - word coming from the US earlier this year was that labels are planning to wind down court proceedings against people, organsations and ISPs over the next two years. Even if Eircom is in a vice, the labels realise they lost this battle many years ago.

    Or maybe we should all move to the Congo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 754 ✭✭✭Zenith74


    Have a read of this - http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/02/23/irma_demands_irish_isps_block_access_to_piracy_sites/ . This won't be limited to PirateBay, Eircom are literally at the whim of IRMA and what they feel like blocking.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,207 ✭✭✭hightower1


    So if a newspaper (legitimate media) started running adverts sections entitled "stolen goods" were shut down for allowing people access to illegally distributed material ..... would you call this cencorship?

    Allowing someone break the law when your aware of it is called aiding and abetting in the states. Companies are entitled to stop the illegal distribution of their material no matter where be it on a stall in a market or on website on the net. The law can be applied on or off the net.

    We ALL know what Pirate bay is used for and none of us are naive enough to think otherwise. Hiding behind a thin veil of "civil liberties" and cries of cencorship is insulting the the common sense and intelligence of ones self and everyone else.

    "Cencorship" is already in place on the net in this counrty. Sites containing or helping in child porographic images are shut down every day for breaking the law, people are prositcuted and users of these sites tracked down aka operation amathist. If they cried out cencorship or civil liberties you'd laugh at them. (tasteless as that image is)
    In theroy yes everyone has their right to express themselves.... they do not have the right to break the law nor do they have the right to supply a direct means to break the law.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 189 ✭✭mattman


    if Eircom block "anything", ill move back to bt.

    What next? block what!

    I dont use pirate bay, in fact i never heard of it till the news.

    Last time i checked it was a free country..

    m.


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 3,073 ✭✭✭mickoneill30


    mattman wrote: »

    I dont use pirate bay, in fact i never heard of it till the news.

    That's a great point. I'd say most users of Piratebay have heard about it because of RIAA etc.
    Just wait till they focus on their next target in the US. That'll give the next site piles of free advertising and new users.

    If Eircom block Pirate Bay I'm presuming they won't be blocking sites like ipanonymiser and all the other proxy sites on the internet.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,502 ✭✭✭thefinalstage


    This right here, this is bull****! Oh, there will be rabbling. I don't give a **** about PirateBay its more what this move represents. Censorship on the internet.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1 CMacH


    In anticipation of losing The Pirate Bay, I decided to make myself coffee and settle down to search for a similar site to TPB. Before the kettle had boiled, I found one that provides exactly the same service (in fact the searches tend to be even more accurate).
    So, Eircom. What ya gonna do now, eh? Send some hired goons around to my house and break my arms. F...ing idiots.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,007 ✭✭✭Gerard_Smith


    Thats it I'm moving to Smart.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,002 ✭✭✭jay-me


    CMacH wrote: »
    In anticipation of losing The Pirate Bay, I decided to make myself coffee and settle down to search for a similar site to TPB. Before the kettle had boiled, I found one that provides exactly the same service (in fact the searches tend to be even more accurate).
    So, Eircom. What ya gonna do now, eh? Send some hired goons around to my house and break my arms. F...ing idiots.

    Google can be used to search for torrents ffs plus the countless other free torrent sites like btjunkie btmon etc. Even if they do implement this there will always be darknets. Fully encrypted p2p networks that friends can share amongst themselves and the "friends" will grow exponentially if there is no other sources! I personally think peoiple should boycott Eircom due to this and email them telling them so!


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Tea_Bag


    the really sad thing imo is that p2p is a brilliant file sharing idea, and IRMA et al shouldnt be hammering it, but embracing it as the future of distribution.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 224 ✭✭nayorleck114


    I personally don't both use the site for music, Find it easier to pay the 99c on itunes to get the song I want. Buts its crazy to block a site another will just popup. The music industry has to move with the times. If the artist is good people will pay for the concert or the CD. U2 during their last concert in Dublin had large crowds, the music industry should target them with signed CD's of the concert (at a price) with personalised photos on cover? I would pay 50 to 60 euros for a CD like that. The industry has to re-invent themselves and look for better revenue streams. As a Kid I rememeber recording songs onto cassette from Radio, I had no money I could not afford to buy them. But later in life I went to concerts to see the same artists I listened to as a kid.

    I could download a great copy of a Movie from Internet, but its great to go to Cinema and enjoy it on big screen. And with 3D movies more people will want to go to big screen.

    Censorship is the wrong way to go. We are not china. There are hundreds of sharing sites on internet.

    why not offer all music for a set price of say 10 euros a month on itunes? and use the medium to advertise to listener? the industry should reform instead of sueing a teenager. There has always been piracy. (in some form)

    If you look back 200 years only the rich could afford to listen to music, 80% of population had no access. (how many people acutally heard the music of Beethoven in his day?)

    Music and the arts should be a right to all, (not just those who can afford it) but the artists should have a right to rewards (and the industry has to adapt to see what revenue streams they can use).

    I think the industry should spend their money on other things that targeting pirate bay, its a no brainer. Piracy will just evolve to next level of encription.

    Better that the kid a stuck for hours in their rooms listening to music than vandalizing the streets.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭blubloblu


    hightower1 wrote: »

    We ALL know what Pirate bay is used for and none of us are naive enough to think otherwise. Hiding behind a thin veil of "civil liberties" and cries of cencorship is insulting the the common sense and intelligence of ones self and everyone else.

    "Cencorship" is already in place on the net in this counrty. Sites containing or helping in child porographic images are shut down every day for breaking the law, people are prositcuted and users of these sites tracked down aka operation amathist. If they cried out cencorship or civil liberties you'd laugh at them. (tasteless as that image is)
    In theroy yes everyone has their right to express themselves.... they do not have the right to break the law nor do they have the right to supply a direct means to break the law.
    Eircom don't block any child porn sites. Shows where their priorities lie. People are genuinely concerned when legal websites are blocked for commercial reasons. People who download unauthorized MP3s have nothing to worry about. It's people who know that pirate bay represents the canary in the coal mine.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,689 ✭✭✭✭OutlawPete


    I could download a great copy of a Movie from Internet, but its great to go to Cinema and enjoy it on big screen. And with 3D movies more people will want to go to big screen.

    Censorship is the wrong way to go. We are not china. There are hundreds of sharing sites on internet.

    Exactly, I think these movie companies are putting their energy in the wrong direction.

    I'm at home now kinda bored - within minutes I could download Funny People which I'm dying to see but I'd much rather wait till next Friday when it opens and get the best possible enjoyment from it ..


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  • Registered Users Posts: 9,481 ✭✭✭projectmayhem


    The irony is delicious here. There's an eircom ad on this page.

    Their BB is fast, reliable AND real value!

    "live a richer life"


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4 symfonie


    The "eircom" (Australian Babcock and Brown) that agreed to this deal could not give a toss as by the time September 1st rolls around, they will have sold the company and beat a hastry retreat back to Australia, leaving new "eircom" (Singapore Telecom) to deal with the headache.

    They always knew they were selling up and jumping ship - they would have sold their granny if that was what was needed not to have lawsuits on their books in the run up to the sale. So, yeah, the timing stinks but not for the reason you think.
    Am I the only one who thinks the timing is a little too good that Eircom have agreed to block them with only a few weeks till they go legal? Seems like they just went and threw in the towel since they knew people wouldn't care about pirate bay soon.

    I really dislike internet censorship though and more power to the other isp's who refuse to bend over.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,135 ✭✭✭fifth


    Get a load of this:

    An anonymous TPB user backed up the site's entire 900,000 file database into a single 21GB torrent file and uploaded it to the website.

    Already, clones of TPB have emerged online, with the possibility of hundreds of TPB-esque sites popping up over time.

    So, this would mean that TPB would never really die and there isn't anything that eircom could do about it? (aside from their 3 strikes rule)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 16,713 ✭✭✭✭jor el


    blubloblu wrote: »
    Eircom don't block any child porn sites. Shows where their priorities lie.

    Name one child porn site... You can't, can you? A CP site wouldn't last long enough for ISPs to block, so that's a pointless argument.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,226 ✭✭✭blubloblu


    jor el wrote: »
    Name one child porn site... You can't, can you? A CP site wouldn't last long enough for ISPs to block, so that's a pointless argument.

    There are sites out there that have around longer than the pirate bay have where child porn is routinely posted. You must be naive to think justice is swiftly delivered in some of the more corrupt countries in the world. So, you're incorrect and my point still stands.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,026 ✭✭✭Amalgam


    Jor el, you never see the sites with illegal 'stuff' because they're blocked further 'upstream' by the likes of BT and a few other companies that supply the pipe to Ireland and various other European countries.

    The list blocks sites in the thousands, if not more, but the content, in the country of origin, can be legal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,983 ✭✭✭Tea_Bag


    anyone having problems connecting to TPB with UPC? it loads a page after like 10 min.
    i tried pinging the IP -t and got "request timed out" for ages. not one single relay...

    DL'ing the index anyway, for a laugh;)


  • Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators, Regional South East Moderators Posts: 28,439 Mod ✭✭✭✭Cabaal


    Amalgam wrote: »
    Jor el, you never see the sites with illegal 'stuff' because they're blocked further 'upstream' by the likes of BT and a few other companies that supply the pipe to Ireland and various other European countries.

    The list blocks sites in the thousands, if not more, but the content, in the country of origin, can be legal.

    You know we have links to the US and not everything goes through BT Openreach in the UK?

    Anyway, Jor el has a point I'm sure not everything on such sites is not illegal but much of the content (child porn) obviously would be so the sites are blocked.

    People don't complain about this, however they complain when ISP's want to block the likes of TPB because people view downloading copyright material as "ok". :rolleyes:

    You and me know that TPB contains more copyright material then non-copyright.

    Accordingly an ISP views it as ok to block as its against its TOS which you as a customer agreed to when you subscribed to the ISP's services.

    Its not much different to a college network admin blocking warez sites being accessed on the colleges network, sure such sites may also have some free software but if it also contains warez then its against the TOS for students to access the content and as such they are within their TOS to block it.

    End users can't have it both ways:
    On one side of the argument you think its unfair to have your service terminated for downloading copyright material

    On the other side your unhappy with the blocking of warez material being downloaded from sites.

    ISP's are going to do one or the other and the first one (termination) is something youi agreed to when you signed up to the service.

    Copyright holders are entitled to protect their content if they wish, its not some wild west type of setup were somebody can do what they want with somebody elses work.


  • Registered Users Posts: 32,417 ✭✭✭✭watty


    This may be the most pointless Court Order/ Agreement in history of Internet:

    http://www.theregister.co.uk/2009/08/21/ggf_stock_halted_21_aug/


    Anyway, it's up to rights holders to protect their rights by taking down providers, not digging up the roads.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 874 ✭✭✭devildriver


    mattman wrote: »
    if Eircom block "anything", ill move back to bt.

    What next? block what!

    I dont use pirate bay, in fact i never heard of it till the news.

    Last time i checked it was a free country..

    m.

    It's no longer a free country unfortunately.

    Also moving to BT is not going to solve the problem. BT have offloaded all of their residential customers to Vodafone and their T+Cs explicitly state that you cannot use P2P on their network.


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