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dublin bay giant sewage plant.

  • 16-11-2012 1:37am
    #1
    JustAThought
    Registered Users Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭


    Has anyone heard any news/ outcomes on the giant sewage plant that fingal council have proposed + are pushing to have built with the sewage from parts of 5 counties being pumped to sea + tunneled under either lusk, kinsealy, or houses at portmarnock?

    The council dosnt need planning permission but it will go to an bord pleanala I suppose.

    Last i heard tbe american PR company the council had employed to take comments didnt know what the outcome or next steps were. Unsurprisingly.

    The local papers said they would intending testing sludge deposits + currents off dublin bay but .no news from the council on this. Has anyone spotted/ heard anything?


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  • #2
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    JustAThought wrote: »
    Has anyone heard any news/ outcomes on the giant sewage plant that fingal council have proposed + are pushing to have built with the sewage from parts of 5 counties being pumped to sea + tunneled under either lusk, kinsealy, or houses at portmarnock?

    The council dosnt need planning permission but it will go to an bord pleanala I suppose.

    Last i heard tbe american PR company the council had employed to take comments didnt know what the outcome or next steps were. Unsurprisingly.

    The local papers said they would intending testing sludge deposits + currents off dublin bay but .no news from the council on this. Has anyone spotted/ heard anything?

    From you tone, I'm assuming you're against these plans.

    Tell me, will you be boycotting the sewage system in order to elleviate the burden the council sewage works have to deal with, or have you a more economical solution to the problem then that put forward by the council?

    Sewage treatment is a community problem. Most communities have to, or should have to deal with certain services in their area they'd rather not have, be that incinerators, dumps, prisons or sewage treatment. I don't know which of the above the areas you listed have, but they should certainly have to do their part


  • #3
    Tabnabs
    Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,691 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    JustAThought, what are you thoughts on the sewage plant already in operation in Dublin Bay?


  • #4
    JustAThought
    Registered Users Posts: 5,323 ✭✭✭JustAThought


    Tabnabs wrote: »
    JustAThought, what are you thoughts on the sewage plant already in operation in Dublin Bay?


    The one that despite all the asurances to the contrary stank like- well - a leaking sewage plant for years.?

    And ended up in court?

    With the judge ruling thst both contractor and ckunty council were wrong in their design + engineering specifications +were ordered to pay a combined sum of fourty million to fix - after years of protesting +complaints.

    Says it all really.


  • #5
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,240 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    JustAThought wrote: »
    Has anyone heard any news/ outcomes on the giant sewage plant that fingal council have proposed + are pushing to have built with the sewage from parts of 5 counties
    Which 5 counties?
    being pumped to sea + tunneled under either lusk, kinsealy, or houses at portmarnock?
    Which of these is in Dublin Bay?

    Why would they tunnel under houses, when there are perfectly good fields they could dig up?
    The council dosnt need planning permission but it will go to an bord pleanala I suppose.
    They do need planning permission, but the form it will take will be different to, say, a house or school. Either Part 8 of the Planning Act or using the Strategic Development Act, as normal for such projects.
    Last i heard tbe american PR company
    Do you mean RPS Project Communications http://www.rpsgroup.com/getdoc/fc33b6f4-e6fa-4c11-9c74-a4d7bd3a1888/Project-Communications.aspx which is an Irish engineering firm that merged with an international one?
    the council had employed to take comments didnt know what the outcome or next steps were. Unsurprisingly.
    Of course they don't know the outcome - thats the idea of a public consultation.

    http://www.greaterdublindrainage.com/press-centre/

    http://greaterdublindrainage.gecoloco.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/Figure_8_Emerging_Preferred_Site_Options.pdf


  • #6
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    Victor wrote: »
    Which 5 counties?
    Meath, Kildare, South Dublin, DLR, Fingal and Dublin city
    Victor wrote: »
    Why would they tunnel under houses, when there are perfectly good fields they could dig up?
    One of the preferred routes for the northern outfall is routed through Greatcommon townland near Lusk. Unless the route is changed, the pipeline would need to travel under peoples homes here.

    Victor wrote: »
    Of course they don't know the outcome - thats the idea of a public consultation.
    It's peculiar that the GDSDS (Greater Dublin Strategic Drainage study) picked a site in Portrane which only was changed after the people of Donabate and Portrane kicked up for several years, with out any public consultation. Very little of the public's input into the process so far has been taken on board.


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  • #7
    Victor
    Registered Users Posts: 78,240 ✭✭✭✭Victor


    Carawaystick wrote: »
    Meath, Kildare, South Dublin, DLR, Fingal and Dublin city
    Ah, you mean tiny bits of Meath and Kildare and a good bit of Dublin. Or alternatively parts of 5 council areas.
    One of the preferred routes for the northern outfall is routed through Greatcommon townland near Lusk. Unless the route is changed, the pipeline would need to travel under peoples homes here.
    Are you saying in this area that there is no route that doesn't go under a house, when the houses are typically 20-50 metres apart?

    http://maps.osi.ie/publicviewer/#V1,722145,755653,5,3

    https://maps.google.ie/maps?q=Greatcommon&hl=en&ll=53.535411,-6.157579&spn=0.013161,0.042272&oe=utf-8&client=firefox-a&hnear=Greatcommon,+County+Dublin&t=h&z=15
    It's peculiar that the GDSDS (Greater Dublin Strategic Drainage study) picked a site in Portrane which only was changed after the people of Donabate and Portrane kicked up for several years, with out any public consultation. Very little of the public's input into the process so far has been taken on board.
    You realise that your last sentence contradicts you previous one.

    Importantly, the Donabate peninsula seems to have limited sites that are close to the sea, but aren't either on sand or next to residential area. Notably, ther eis a big differentce between the impact of a pipeline and a plant.


  • #8
    LiamoSail
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,294 ✭✭✭LiamoSail


    I reckon the best thing the protest groups can do is boycott it if it goes ahead. Show them, literally, you don't give a sh1t about their sewage treatment plans, that your doing (or not as the case may be) your own thing


  • #9
    Carawaystick
    Registered Users Posts: 8,779 ✭✭✭Carawaystick


    LiamoSail wrote: »
    I reckon the best thing the protest groups can do is boycott it if it goes ahead. Show them, literally, you don't give a sh1t about their sewage treatment plans, that your doing (or not as the case may be) your own thing

    Funnily enough if the plant is sited in Lusk, none of the sewage generated in Lusk will be treated by it, as a local treatment plant deals with the Lusk sewage already.
    Same for Loughshinny, their sewage is treated in a different local sewage plant.


    @Victor
    Fingal, DLR & south Dublin call themselves counties when it suits them, can't run with the hares and hunt with the hounds.

    You'll notice I said homes, not houses. There is no way through Greatcommon without ground under a garden or house. During the last public consultation greaterdublindrainage admitted that they measured distances only to the geometric centre of houses when calculating the distances from proposed plants.


    Regarding public consultation, read Paul Hunt's second response
    http://www.irisheconomy.ie/index.php/2012/05/14/pat-swords-v-the-world/


  • #10
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,254 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    At the end of the **** happens. It's how we deal with it that matters.

    Yes there were problems initally with the Ringsend plant. These were analyzed and lessons were learnt. These problems will not be repeated.

    Your 5 counties comment highlights that you can not be taken.seriously as you over exaggerate things. Dublin city, dlr, south county and fingal are all parts of Dublin which is one county.

    The Shanganah plant is about 200m from me, while commissioning there was a smell, but the anarobeic digestr and Chp on site took care of this.
    There was also a smell, when loading the dried waste onto a truck. They then built a shed to use when loading and do.it through sealed pipes, smell gone.

    There's to many misinformed Nimbys in rush and musk.


  • #11
    tricky D
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,700 ✭✭✭tricky D


    ted1 wrote: »
    Your 5 counties comment highlights that you can not be taken.seriously as you over exaggerate things. Dublin city, dlr, south county and fingal are all parts of Dublin which is one county.
    Yup, and the most of their sewage goes to Ringsend and still will even though some will be diverted to this proposed plant.
    ted1 wrote: »
    The Shanganah plant is about 200m from me, while commissioning there was a smell, but the anarobeic digestr and Chp on site took care of this.
    There was also a smell, when loading the dried waste onto a truck. They then built a shed to use when loading and do.it through sealed pipes, smell gone.
    Nice tertiary plant that one is. Had a tour as it was opening around 89/90. Yup the sludge smells a bit, not much though and it's great fertiliser.
    ted1 wrote: »
    There's to many misinformed Nimbys in rush and musk.
    The irony of this is that it is the beaches and other coastal amenities of north Co Dublin which are still subjected to raw sewage so why such objection from residents of the same area.


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  • #12
    ted1
    Registered Users Posts: 23,254 ✭✭✭✭ted1


    Tricky,
    you should pop down and have a look at the plant now, its being totally changed.

    http://www.shanganaghbray.com/index.php?page=treatment-works


  • #13
    sceiri
    Registered Users Posts: 6 ✭sceiri


    A bit of a delay in answer ... but Fingal will present the location for the GDR regional sewage plant on Monday 10th June - current 3 shortlisted sites; Ballyboughall, Lusk and Clonshagh. The plant has a proposed 2040 capacity of 700,000 PE and will have a sludge hub co-located with it and will need a correspondingly large marine outfall at either Loughshinny or Baldoyle/Portmarnock. Given that the report will be presented on Monday - a fair few people know already what is in it ... the rest of us have to wait..


  • #14
    Davy
    Moderators, Category Moderators, Business & Finance Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 19,340 CMod ✭✭✭✭Davy


    http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showthread.php?t=2057252367
    The Greater Dublin Drainage project team are holding pop-up information stands at the following locations over the coming weeks:

    • Baldoyle Library, Thursday 24th July 2014, from 4.30pm to 7.30pm

    • Coolock Civic Centre, Tuesday 19th August 2014, from 2pm to 5pm

    The information stands are being organised in order to provide information to the public about the Greater Dublin Drainage project. They provide the opportunity for members of the public to meet the GDD team and ask questions about the project.

    The Greater Dublin Drainage (GDD) project will provide additional wastewater treatment capacity for the Dublin region and proposes:

    • a wastewater treatment plant (WwTP) on a 23-hectare site at Clonshagh (Clonshaugh);
    • an underground orbital sewer and two pumping stations and;
    • an outfall pipe discharging 6km out to sea from Baldoyle.

    Members of the public are welcome to contact the project team with feedback or questions, as follows:
    • Email: info@greaterdublindrainage.ie;
    • Lo-call telephone: 1890 44 55 67 (9am to 5pm Monday to Friday; closed 1-2pm);
    • Website: www.greaterdublindrainage.com.

    On 1st January 2014 Irish Water took over responsibility for managing Ireland’s water and wastewater investment and maintenance programmes. On that date, Irish Water also took over the management of the Greater Dublin Drainage Project from Fingal County Council. Since taking responsibility for GDD, Irish Water has studied all of the technical and consultation reports prepared to date and is progressing the studies required to prepare the planning application to be lodged towards the end of 2016.

    View a GDD project video on wastewater treatment at: www.greaterdublindrainage.com


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