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Cork GAA Discussion Thread
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Congrats on the three in a row lads. What's your U21 team like? Who would be the notable players? Is Aidan Walsh still U21?0
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A superb win for Cork football,3 in a row but nine titles in 12 years,unreal and a credit to all involved.
It just goes to show when you have the right managers,like Tony leahy and now Cleary, what can be achieved at this level.The players are there in Cork in every code,but at some levels its wasted by clueless management.
Not at this grade though,thankfully.
John Cleary is a superb manager,he deserves immense credit.
This was expected to be close and for about 50 minutes it was.The scoreline was good but Tippereary werent that far off cork.
What turned it was Cork had leaders,not boys but men that are warriors ,guys that do not do the word Panic.They instead have composure and real, real belief.
A belief in themselves and a belief in the manager.They can survive pressure and then be clinical when needed.
Hanarahan saved a certain goal and then within minutes Sugrue the unsung hero,of this team got a goal.That 6 point turn around shell shocked tipp, and from their Cork went to cruise control.
But for most of the game this was a hard close game.Maguire was very good at midfield.
I posted here before,that I felt Cadogan had a game in him where he would score a good return.Tonight was the game.A man for the big occasion.
3 points tonight were crucial but he's workrate and strength is unreal.
Brother of Eoin, he is the same aggressive driven player.This guy will play for the Seniors some day.
Cahalane was tight and really superb on Quinvlan.He made mistakes but overall was superb.He loves the big occasion.
The bigger the player the better for Cahalane.Remember the 2011 Munster U21 hurling final in limerick,he was superb on Kevin Downes.Tonight he was the same.
Clancy,Wall are the new breed of half backs,strong and can score when needed.
Hurley fought for every ball and like Mac Eoin when the need is greatest they deliver.Hurley and Maceoin should be training with the Senior panel in May.
These guys have the potential for senior.
Brosnan you can't fault hes effort but he struggles at times.O Driscoll showed when he came on why he is more a half back than a corner back.
This win also showed Cleary is able to do tactics and learns from he's mistakes.
He played very defensive in the first half as if he wanted to hold tippereary getting any big lead up and knew that with so much expierence Cork would drive on in the second half.
The second half he brought the forwards more in to the game.
He also had Cahalane well protected at full back and was fast enough to take Brosnan off who was struggling.
Tippereary played a lot of men behind the ball but Cleary managed to overcome it.
David Power the Tipp manager had Gerry macgill as a selector with Tipp.
Macgill is as a shrewd tactican, he has been successful with Laois, and Dublin ladies football
.He also coached a laois club to an intermediate county title.
He is a selector with the senior team.
Cleary outhought both him and Power, so credit due.
What I admire about John Cleary is that any mistakes he makes he learns from them.
He learned from the Kerry and Limerick games with the full back line.
Cork were overpowered by 3 goals to a physical Dublin team. last year.
He got the match ups right tonight.
Tippereary had their own strength and conditioning coach with that team tonight.They were no lightweights,but Cork were never outmuscled.
In 2011 after Cork destroyed Kerry ,the players seemed to get carried away and never showed up in Ennis against Galway.
This year after the Kerry game he has been really cute in keeping expectation in check.
They wont overestimate anyone again.
This tipp team will be around again next year,its a young team.
Cahalane,Sugrue, Cadogan, Wall will all be involved with the U21 hurlers this June.
Hallisey who done well as a sub tonight may be their.
Its a shame that they will go from a team with a manager who gets every last ounce from he's team to the hurling team that have the talent to win a munster title this year but who have a manager that is no where near good enough to win a munster title.0 -
Likewise fair play to Cavan winning 3 in a row and the fact ye got to 4 ulsters in a row.I had thought Donegal would beat ye,but ye must be sum team and ye deserve great credit.Congrats on the three in a row lads. What's your U21 team like? Who would be the notable players? Is Aidan Walsh still U21?
No Walsh,and no established seniors as of yet on this team.
But O Rourke,Cahalane and Clancy have played 2 league games this year and are future seniors with the likes of Hurley,Mac Eoin, Wall,Cadogan ( brother of Eoin) probaly the front runners for senior in the future.
Theres about around nine or ten of the minor team that lost to Tyrone by a point in the final in 2010 and there is a good core of these guys that would have played in the last two U21 semifinals so like Cavan they will be keen to go one better in two weeks.
Ye have nearly 3/4 of last years team so i'm sure hunger or expierence won't be a problem for ye either.
Our strength is any of the 6 forwards could be a matchwinner on any day and we have Hallisey and Vaughan who was under the weather tonight very good options on the bench.
It will be a good game and its the first time both counties would have met at this grade so it should be a good occasion.0 -
Congrats on the three in a row lads. What's your U21 team like? Who would be the notable players? Is Aidan Walsh still U21?
Aidan Walsh overage. Unless you saw our first senior league game, you probably won't be familiar with the start players, but Damien Cahalane (center-back usually, full-back tonight), Brian Hurley (full/corner forward), John O'Rourke (half-forward) and Thomas Clancy (center-back) are the star players and future senior starters. Alan Cadogan, Eoin Cadogan's little brother, is half-forward.0 -
According to the Examiner today it was 1997 the last time Cork were in Div 2, up against Dublin,Waterford,Antrim,Kerry,London and Westmeath and Meath.I agree, it's going to be hard for Cork to win in Limerick whatever it is about that venue (btw no offence my Limerick friends) just saying we find it hard to win there. I am hoping Cork will give it their best shot against a good and impressive Clare side. If we can produce a good performance we certainly have a chance of winning. It will be a close match I reckon, too close for comfort for both sides.
It's funny how a season can change, last year we were playing in the National League final and this year we are playing in a Relegation playoff. I know the League structure has changed few times over the years but when was the last time Cork hurlers were relegated to Division 2?, as division 1b is a new structure and Cork haven't been there yet. Dublin win Division 1 in 2011 and relegated in 2012 to 1b. It a funny old league.0 -
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Aidan Walsh overage. Unless you saw our first senior league game, you probably won't be familiar with the start players, but Damien Cahalane (center-back usually, full-back tonight), Brian Hurley (full/corner forward), John O'Rourke (half-forward) and Thomas Clancy (center-back) are the star players and future senior starters. Alan Cadogan, Eoin Cadogan's little brother, is half-forward.
I was speaking to a friend of mine there who lives in Cork and is heavily involved with a large intermediate club down there. He is from Cavan but hasn't seen us play. He said he does hold hope for Cavan though.
Reckons this Cork team is fairly ordinary compared to others in the past (his words, not mine). I know nothing about Cork and that's why I was asking.
He reckoned the weak spot was your full back line and that Cahalane was moved full back last night because Cork management were obviously afraid of what the Tipp full forward could do to the half back line.
Would this be correct? To be honest the Cavan full back line would be seen as strong with two players who have played at senior in it (Killian Clarke and Jason McLoughlin) but they gave away a good few goal chances last night. They looked poor under the high ball at times and that's a worry.0 -
I was speaking to a friend of mine there who lives in Cork and is heavily involved with a large intermediate club down there. He is from Cavan but hasn't seen us play. He said he does hold hope for Cavan though.
Reckons this Cork team is fairly ordinary compared to others in the past (his words, not mine). I know nothing about Cork and that's why I was asking.
He reckoned the weak spot was your full back line and that Cahalane was moved full back last night because Cork management were obviously afraid of what the Tipp full forward could do to the half back line.
Would this be correct? To be honest the Cavan full back line would be seen as strong with two players who have played at senior in it (Killian Clarke and Jason McLoughlin) but they gave away a good few goal chances last night. They looked poor under the high ball at times and that's a worry.[/quote
yeah the Cork full back line is weak in the sense most of them are Pure footballers, and defend the ball more than the aera itself.There individual players but are not physical or commanding enough to be an out and out full back like Cahalane.Dorman was full back against Kerry but youre right in that is why cahalane was back there last night as he was also marking a big talented full forward in Quinvlan who played senior for Tipp this year and is a star in the making.
Cahalane is a full back, hes tough,abrasive, can by cynical and vocal also.He leads the players around him,he is calm and composed at crucial times.He has played their for the hurlers also and at Club level for the Barrs in big hurling games.He knows what is needed in the aera.
He wont be a full back at Senior though as we are well served there.
The Cork team id say will line out the same in the same way going forward.
Brian O Driscoll is better at half back and he is way better out of the corner.
When he attacks as a corner back cork are exposed on the counter.Not so much at half back as Cahalane at Full back and Tom Clancy at CB are well able to read the game.
Tom Clancy is a fine player and will be a senior down the line.
Cork would not be ordinary in terms of previous teams.
The 2011 team had Sheehan and Collins and Walsh and O Driscoll that were big name players but when Walsh went off injured Cork didnt seem to have leaders then and they seem to take galway for granted.
This team is more battle hardened,as leaders from Full back, Centre back and in both the half forward and Full forward line.
There not just relying on any one player.Sugrue and Cadogan stepped up when Hurley and Mac Eoin were held for the first half last night.
The 2011 team and the 2009 teams were held in high regard as you had the Colm O Neills and Sheehans and Walsh's that have become household names in the Senior team now.
The Likes of Cahalane who has improved every year, O Rourke, Hurley,Clancy and Wall etc,have the talent to do the same.
This team is not ordinary at all,it had a weakness in the full back line that has now been made stronger.
Even though Maguire was good last night the midfield is still lacking a bit more.
However that can be helped by the half forwards helping to win the ball as Cadogan proved last night.
As Donegal at senior level have proved the two midfielders dont have to win ball every ball as the ball they do not win they have three players waiting to pick it up.
Cork have a strong bench compared to previous teams,with Hallisey a forward option,and Vaughan as an option at midfield also with Crowley an extremely talented wing back on the bench.
Also Cork have a manager who has won 4 munster titles and an all ireland and has been a selector also before, he has been involved with Cork U21s since 2004 where 8 munster titles and two All irelands were achieved, and were extremely unlucky not to win the All ireland final in 2006.
It is a well balanced set up all round but Cavan will be another huge test.0 -
Im have vague memory of cork beating roscommon by fifty points the last time we were in division two.does anyone remember this or am i raving.if true it means we won the AI as a division two team.great win last night!0
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Being in div 2 up to the mid 90s wasnt really any huge burden then as championship was much easier to winmr bungle. wrote: »Im have vague memory of cork beating roscommon by fifty points the last time we were in division two.does anyone remember this or am i raving.if true it means we won the AI as a division two team.great win last night!
Take the All ireland win in 1990 for example ,two big games and we won the All Ireland.
Munster was just between two teams then, we had the Ulster champions Antrim and then Galway in the final.
Compared to now to even win a munster we would have two very very hard games.Cork teams in the past would also have had senior all ireland medal winners with lads that won at minor and U21 as well.We have only two players on Sunday.Its way more competitve now in Munster added to the fact Galway and Kk are still ahead of us.
Nicky O Connell and Sean Collins have been ruled out for sunday.0 -
Cork beat Clare in minor hurling 3 15 to 2 14. Cork scored 5 of the last 6 points.
Clare led 2 08 to 2 05 at the break. Cork started fast with a 2 02 volley early.0 -
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The Cork Senior Hurling team to play Clare on Sunday at 3 is:
1. Anthony Nash Kanturk
2. Shane O'Neill Bishospstown
3. Brian Murphy Bride Rovers
4. Conor O'Sullivan Sarsfields
5. Stephen White Ballygarvan
6. Christopher Joyce Na Piarsaigh
7. Willam Egan Kilbrin
8. Lorchan Mcloghlin Kanturk
9. Daniel Kearney Sarsfields
10. Conor Lehane Midleton
11. Paudie Sullivan Cloyne
12. Pa Cronin Bishopstown
13. Stephen Moylan Douglas
14 .Luke O Farell Midleton
15. Patrick Horgan Glen Rovers
Subs
Darren McCarthy Ballymartle
Cathal Naughton Newtownshandrum
Kilian Murphy Erins Own
Mark Ellis Milstreet
Brian Hartnett Midleton
Michael Walsh Kildorrery
Colm Spillane Castlelyons
Rob O Shea Carrigaline
Peter O Brien Kildorrey
Cian Mccarthy Sarsfields
Tom Kenny Grenagh0 -
Great result for the minors in what seems like a really good game.
Hopefully the seniors can match their result. Picked our strongest team IMO.0 -
Did not see the game but a vital win in that Cork have not won any meangiful game the last while at this grade.Cork beat Clare in minor hurling 3 15 to 2 14. Cork scored 5 of the last 6 points.
Clare led 2 08 to 2 05 at the break. Cork started fast with a 2 02 volley early.
Good to hear Pa Callaghan was on fire.
He is one for the future.
I would like to see him on the U21 team this year.He's good enough.I still woudn't be convinced with the management team just yet.One swallow never made a summer.
In 2011 the U21 team destroyed Tipp in thurles,and it was meant to be crisis over.It turned to be a false dawn.
This is meant to be a highly rated team so a Munster title for it deemed to be succesful should be achieved whatever about the all ireland.If a Munster title is won only then will I deem it to be successful.
Next up is the winners of Clare /Waterford.If its clare then a very tough trip to ennis awaits.
A good week for Cork GAA so far with the Footballers Superb win, Colm O'Neill having a successful operation and now the minors winning last night.
Hopefully a win on Sunday will be the icing on the cake.0 -
Strong team to a point as the half forwards are stronger but White weakens the team,and Horgan to me doesnt deserve to start.Their my main worries.Full back is a worry but if Cork are Cynical when needed we may be able to limit the damage,but I fear if Honan starts with his height and strength Murphy could be in real trouble.Murphy is a top class corner back as proven by he's all star but he could struggle here.
Joyce would ideal for Honan but he can't be moved from centre back.
We have no options on the bench which is a big worry if needed.
Ellis never got any game time so we don't know how bad or good he is at this level.
Mcdonnell is still out,and while he is not a full back at least he would have the height for Honan.
We dont have any other option for Sunday ,just damage limitation at full back.
If Honan is going in on goal and he is fouled at least with Nash in goal you have above the odds of saving it.
He will I have no doubt need to make at least one top class save on Sunday if were to win.I have no worries with Nash.
Honan for such a tall man is a superb hurler,and is goal mad.
Thats exactly the type of player like Kevin Downes of Limerick that we need in the full forward line.
Honan could be a matchwinner on Sunday.The only consolation with him is there's Cork blood in him,he's mother is from Cork.
A team should be picked on form not just reputation and Horgan was lucky to play and even at that while he has the talent Horgan has failed on many a big day, so in a tight ptich with Morey snapping at he's heels at every turn I wonder has he the Stomach for the battle.
O brien would have been better to start in the sense at least he will be honest and try.
And the kick up the back side might have bucked Horgan up.
The worry I have is if he starts poor and he is then taken off, it could have a worse effect on the team than not starting him.
Theres no excuses Sunday, it should be he's last chance.JBM needs to act fast if he ain't performing.
I really hope he does as Cork need him to perform especially when theres no real scoring forwards on the bench to turn the game,as Hartnett is young with no games,and O shea is the same,but if Horgan doesn't work hard hes of no use at all.
Were very thin on the bench,when you see Naughton there.
Coughlan is a real real loss sunday.
My other worry is White at 5.
He was exposed against KK.
Hes a good solid hurler that would be fine for the Intermediate team,but I feel this level may be a step too far.
I would have put Spillane in at 5.
Yes he is young and a risk but no more a risk than White who was taken for 4 points the last day.
The only drawback with Spillane is the inexpierence he has.
He has plenty of hurling,and is fast and good under the high ball.
Full back is he's position but he could do a job on Sunday at 5.
He really relished the physical exchanges with KK the last day.He has played in the forwards for Castlelyons,so he has loads of hurling.
He seems to be made of stern stuff mentally .
He captained the minors,deemed good enough for the U21 team last while still in leaving cert.
In this case if youre good enough your old enough.I feel he is.He was good in the Waterford Crystal Cup.
White deserved to be tried out in the league but he lacks that bit of quailty.
The management did not start him against Galway Or Clare so they must not of been happy with him.
Yet he plays against KK and is taken for 4 scores and starts sunday.
In fairness to JBM with Cronin gone to HF where he had to,then Mcloughlin was always going to midfield as no other option for Kearney was tried there.
Nick O Connell is out for Sunday so we may well get away with the physical side in this partnership sunday.I would still have my doubts about these two together but for Sunday they may well do.
However Mcloughlin is a huge huge loss to the half back line.Its a pity we cant have him there,he brins way more to the aera than white or Kenny does.
He has a superb reading of the game,he has pace and sweeping ability which is second to none.
I honestly believe he would win an All Star if he was a regular no 5.
The half line of Lorchan,Joyce and Egan would be a very very strong line.
Cork needs every player to perform Sunday.Any player that do not are no where near Championship level as Sunday is as good as Championship.
It will be a close game and we can win.I hope White and Horgan perform but if they dont it could hinge on JBM acting fast and not with ten minutes to go.
Great to see Cussen not on the bench and suprised Mannix did not make it.
TG4 are showing defferred showing after the football.
I have no doubt Davy Fitz as only he can do will stir it up on the sideline.
He will only look for a reason to get involved in anything and try and make something out of nothing.
JBM will be ice cool as always so that should help the team.0 -
Thinkstoomuch wrote: »Did not see the game but a vital win in that Cork have not won any meangiful game the last while at this grade.
Good to hear Pa Callaghan was on fire.
He is one for the future.
I would like to see him on the U21 team this year.He's good enough.I still woudn't be convinced with the management team just yet.One swallow never made a summer.
In 2011 the U21 team destroyed Tipp in thurles,and it was meant to be crisis over.It turned to be a false dawn.
This is meant to be a highly rated team so a Munster title for it deemed to be succesful should be achieved whatever about the all ireland.If a Munster title is won only then will I deem it to be successful.
Next up is the winners of Clare /Waterford.If its clare then a very tough trip to ennis awaits.
A good week for Cork GAA so far with the Footballers Superb win, Colm O'Neill having a successful operation and now the minors winning last night.
Hopefully a win on Sunday will be the icing on the cake.
Clare have to travel to Waterford next Wednesday, tough for both teams to pick themselves up. From the accounts I've read of last niggh, Clare's puckouts cost them big time, a goal and 3 or 4 points were directly scored from poor puck outs.
Shane Taylor had he been available would have been a huge help in the half forward line, he got 3 in the same fixture last year whilst also winning a lot of 'awkward' ball.0 -
Meant to post this earlier, but report from the minor game last night here if anyone's interested:
http://www.livegaelic.com/news/munster-minor-hurling-championship-cork-3-15-clare-2-14/0 -
Reading about the game on the Cork GAA site. It says that entry is through the Mackey stand only. Does this mean that they're not expecting a crowd and the terraces are closed or can you walk around the stadium under the stand like Pairc Ui Chaoimh0
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Thinkstoomuch wrote: »According to the Examiner today it was 1997 the last time Cork were in Div 2, up against Dublin,Waterford,Antrim,Kerry,London and Westmeath and Meath.
How would that be possible, did Cork and Waterford not meet in the 1998 Division 1 league final?0 -
Very possible as Waterford along with Dublin and Cork qualifed for the new format in 98 in which there was 12 teams ,2 groups of 6,in the new league as all those 3 teams were in Div 2 in 1997 but got promoted from their in 97 to take place in the new league.Mountainlad wrote: »How would that be possible, did Cork and Waterford not meet in the 1998 Division 1 league final?0 -
Tough game for ye,thats a good Waterford side .Clare have to travel to Waterford next Wednesday, tough for both teams to pick themselves up. From the accounts I've read of last niggh, Clare's puckouts cost them big time, a goal and 3 or 4 points were directly scored from poor puck outs.
Shane Taylor had he been available would have been a huge help in the half forward line, he got 3 in the same fixture last year whilst also winning a lot of 'awkward' ball.
Im sure Cork would rather Waterford at home then Clare away as home advantage is always a bonus.
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Thinkstoomuch wrote: »Very possible as Waterford along with Dublin and Cork qualifed for the new format in 98 in which there was 12 teams ,2 groups of 6,in the new league as all those 3 teams were in Div 2 in 1997 but got promoted from their in 97 to take place in the new league.
http://www.comeonthedeise.ie/national-hurling-league-1997/ this seems to have been the last time we were in the lower division. In recent years we did play Derry and Down but that may have been when the top division was split in two. We were very lucky to win at least one of those games. Can't ever remember playing Roscommon.0 -
I remember playing Derry in Derry in 2002.http://www.comeonthedeise.ie/national-hurling-league-1997/ this seems to have been the last time we were in the lower division. In recent years we did play Derry and Down but that may have been when the top division was split in two. We were very lucky to win at least one of those games. Can't ever remember playing Roscommon.
Cork wasnt a happy camp as that was the game that showed the conditions the players had was not acceptable ,with the huge journey by road up and down and added to the fact there was no doctor when i think it was Niall macarthy had a serious injury.That lead to the troubles later on.
Down werent a bad hurling team in the early 90s and played well against Cork in an ireland semifinal.
I'm the same as you,I don't remember Cork and Roscommon playing hurling.
On a different note fair play to Juliet Murphy who is on Laochra gael next week.
She is Corks first woman to appear on it and I think only the third woman ever.It should be interesting to watch.The last programme in this series.
Hopefully it will be as the saying goes "keep the best til last".0 -
Thinkstoomuch wrote: »I remember playing Derry in Derry in 2002.
Cork wasnt a happy camp as that was the game that showed the conditions the players had was not acceptable ,with the huge journey by road up and down and added to the fact there was no doctor when i think it was Niall macarthy had a serious injury.That lead to the troubles later on.
Down werent a bad hurling team in the early 90s and played well against Cork in an ireland semifinal.
I'm the same as you,I don't remember Cork and Roscommon playing hurling.
On a different note fair play to Juliet Murphy who is on Laochra gael next week.
She is Corks first woman to appear on it and I think only the third woman ever.It should be interesting to watch.The last programme in this series.
Hopefully it will be as the saying goes "keep the best til last".
http://www.roscommonpeople.ie/itemdetail.asp?itemID=7773&menu=d7773
Oireachtas Cup a number of years ago. it was abolished in 1999.0 -
munsterlegend wrote: »http://www.roscommonpeople.ie/itemdetail.asp?itemID=7773&menu=d7773
Oireachtas Cup a number of years ago. it was abolished in 1999.
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Thinkstoomuch wrote: »Tough game for ye,thats a good Waterford side .
Im sure Cork would rather Waterford at home then Clare away as home advantage is always a bonus.
Any news of yere team yet in the senior?
there's talk of James Mac coming back into the starting 15, he started the 1st rd but has had a few injuries. If he starts it will probably be full back, thus freeing up Seadna Morey. Morey will probably go to mid field to replace Nicky O Connell.
Another possibility is Colm Galvin to mid field instead of O Connell.
I assume Davy is keeping things top secret for whatever reason.
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Donal O Grady wrote a piece in the Examiner a few weeks back saying Morey would be ideal for midfield in the way clare play,with the half forwards dropping back deep .there's talk of James Mac coming back into the starting 15, he started the 1st rd but has had a few injuries. If he starts it will probably be full back, thus freeing up Seadna Morey. Morey will probably go to mid field to replace Nicky O Connell.
Another possibility is Colm Galvin to mid field instead of O Connell.
I assume Davy is keeping things top secret for whatever reason.
Hopefully from a Clare perspective, Honan and McGrath will see a decent bit of game time
He said Clare lacked a player to deliver the ball from there in to the full forward line.
He felt Morey was the man and it was he's best position.
Morey I think is a terrfic player but I would be glad if he is at midfield as he will suit Kearney and Mcloughlin more and also take him out of the corner where he could do a number on Horgan.
There both running midfielders who have struggled against Smith of Galway,Tannion and Fennelly and Rice in the past.
Morey won't be as physical.
Mcloughlin only weakness is he a bit light for midfield,only around 12 stone.Tommorrow he will get away it .
If Mcgrath does not start with Honan,Conlan ,Kelly,Ryan there is still loads of firepower for Clare.
Cork have the same firepower but crucially bar Cronin we don'thave another ball winner,we tend to have more fast nippy stickmen.
Lehane and Paudie will win the odd one but will never dominate in the air or bring what Niall mac for example used to bring to the aera.
The weather looks like it will be awful tommorrow .We have done better than expected in bad conditions twice this year but a dry hard surface would suit us better.
Dillion at Full back is a big loss to ye.
If O Farell gets any ball at all he will score goals.
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Thinkstoomuch wrote: »Donal O Grady wrote a piece in the Examiner a few weeks back saying Morey would be ideal for midfield in the way clare play,with the half forwards dropping back deep .
He said Clare lacked a player to deliver the ball from there in to the full forward line.
He felt Morey was the man and it was he's best position.
Morey I think is a terrfic player but I would be glad if he is at midfield as he will suit Kearney and Mcloughlin more and also take him out of the corner where he could do a number on Horgan.
There both running midfielders who have struggled against Smith of Galway,Tannion and Fennelly and Rice in the past.
Morey won't be as physical.
Mcloughlin only weakness is he a bit light for midfield,only around 12 stone.Tommorrow he will get away it .
If Mcgrath does not start with Honan,Conlan ,Kelly,Ryan there is still loads of firepower for Clare.
Cork have the same firepower but crucially bar Cronin we don'thave another ball winner,we tend to have more fast nippy stickmen.
Lehane and Paudie will win the odd one but will never dominate in the air or bring what Niall mac for example used to bring to the aera.
The weather looks like it will be awful tommorrow .We have done better than expected in bad conditions twice this year but a dry hard surface would suit us better.
Dillion at Full back is a big loss to ye.
If O Farell gets any ball at all he will score goals.
Lehane is coming in to form for us at the right time.
If Morey starts mid field he needs Conor Ryan beside him imo, that way there'll be some form of a physical presence.
Wing back is Morey's best position for me. At times the game passes him by when he's at mid field, but that could be partly due to not being used to playing there.
While Clare do have good fire power, if Davy goes with 2 forwards and everybody else crowding the middle, a lot of the fire power will be pointless. Clare have persisted with a ball winner/non-scoring forward at wing forward, one of Lynch or Barrett. The problem is neither have won ball, hardly a puck out between them.
Dillon is a loss but it would be a lot worse if he only got injured last week, at least Clare have had plenty time to plan for his loss.
Much for me will depend on selection, Cork are already stronger with William Egan back in and a different 6 from when the sides last met, Davy's selection could be make or break for Clare's chances,
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Clare team named for tomorrow
1. Patrick Kelly
2. Donal O Donovan
3. David MacInerney
4. Seadna Morey
5. Brendan Bugler
6. Patrick Donnelan
7. Patrick O Connor
8. Conor Ryan
9. Colm Galvin
10. Colin Ryan
11. John Conlon
12. Tony Kelly
13. Darack Honan
14. Shane O Donnell
15. Podge Collins
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Davy got it right and is gone to attack Corks strongest line the half back line.Like the breakdown in Rubgy this will be the winning or loosing of the match,the half back lines on both sides.Clare team named for tomorrow
1. Patrick Kelly
2. Donal O Donovan
3. David MacInerney
4. Seadna Morey
5. Brendan Bugler
6. Patrick Donnelan
7. Patrick O Connor
8. Conor Ryan
9. Colm Galvin
10. Colin Ryan
11. John Conlon
12. Tony Kelly
13. Darack Honan
14. Shane O Donnell
15. Podge Collins
Good to see Conlon out in the half forward line and Galvin to mid field
Colin ryan could be a handful for White.
Conlon is good in the air but Joyce will relish this.I expect this battle to be mouthwatering.Both future stars of the game.
Egan and Kelly will be a good battle.Egan I fancy to win this one,as he won't let Kelly do what he done to Pa Cronin.
I noticed that Kelly seemed to fade out after he got hit against KK.Egan has bulked up a lot and should hit Kelly as hard as he can within the rules of the game.
Egan can also score,2 points in the league no bad return for a half back.Kelly will be tested defensively.
You would expect a lot of rotating here between the Clare forwards,the only match up I fear is who ever is on white.
I say if the weather keeps up,midfield will be by passed to a degree so Mcloughlin playing in a deeper midfield holding role would make sense,in that he can sweep and cover any ball around the half back line and help White out.
The Clare half back line has the ability to dominate in the air with Bulger and Donnellan.
The idea of playing it fast and keeping the ptich wide therefore trying to isolate this trio has been blown away with the stormy conditions tommorrow.
Watching the Rubgy there,that is some wind and rain.Ducks would not even go out in that weather.
With only one ball winner up front Cork will struggle to get ball.
Against Waterford and Galway we struggled,okay we did not loose but we did not win either.
Peter O Brien or Cian Mac could play a key role if brought on.
I woudnt even think about Naughton or Bud harnett.Too light for tommorrow.
It nots ideal but Cian and O Brien are the only options.
Cian Mac got three points here the last time he played here.He blows hot and cold.
I hope he performs if brought on.
A lot of the papers today seem to be favouring Cork on the basis of the Tipp game,in that if we can get near that performance we will win.
That talk just annoys me.That game was no test at all.
That was like the Cork U21s playing the Cork intermediates in a trial game just before they played tipp last year.
Cork lost the game,and afterwards it was said but some of those players were flying in the game last week and were baffled by the loss.
Those games are meanginless.
That Tippereary game was the worse thing that happened Cork.0
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