How to revive the Irish language.

paullyons00 · 11-04-2012 8:42pm #1

In my opinion, the only way we can possibly revive the Irish language to make it the first language of the people, business and pleasure, is as follows:

All citizens below the age of 30 and above the age of 17 have 5 years to reach an agreed level of fluency.

Each will be assessed through an oral and written exam at the end of those 5 years.

If the candidate does not pass on his/her first exam, they will be given a second chance to pass but at a higher pass mark.

Any candidate who fails the second exam should be stripped of their rights and citizenship and should face a hefty prison sentence.

This may seem autocratic or communist, but in my view its the only way we can revive the language or else it will die out in years to come.

I'd love to hear your opinions on my way of thinking and alternative views on how we should go about reviving the language.

The King of Moo · 11-04-2012 8:43pm

That's one of the craziest things I've ever read!

Why not try having it actually taught properly to kids first!?

Dyr · 11-04-2012 8:44pm

Can we just ban all n00bs from AH? Srsly folks.

Pushtrak · 11-04-2012 8:44pm

How about we don't and pretend we did?

paullyons00 · 11-04-2012 8:44pm

I was expecting that sort of reaction.

Desperate times call for desperate measures however

Sparks43 · 11-04-2012 8:44pm

luck maith leis sin:rolleyes:

lividduck · 11-04-2012 8:45pm

And how would Sir like his Goatsmeat, braised,roasted, or boiled?

hairyprincess · 11-04-2012 8:45pm

yes because the prisons aren't over crowded enough already :-\

coffee_cake · 11-04-2012 8:46pm

that's stupid

bad op. bad!

PseudoFamous · 11-04-2012 8:47pm

You're some man for one man, Paul.

The King of Moo · 11-04-2012 8:48pm

paullyons00 wrote: »

I was expecting that sort of reaction.

Desperate times call for desperate measures however

But these aren't desperate times!

I'd love to see the language survive, but by teaching it well to kids then making it optional when they get to secondary school.

It's bad enough that it's poorly taught, because that makes people dislike the language and you have to like a language to be fluent in it.

Do you not see that threatening people with stripping their citizen's rights if they're not good enough is going to put them under a wee bit of pressure and make them hate Irish?

I'd rather 1,000 people passionate about the language spoke it than have everyone forced to speak it.

FatherLen · 11-04-2012 8:49pm

the king of moo is right. it just needs to be taught properly.
i think in first class i learned one thing and it was "an bhfuil cead agam dul go dti an leithreas".

Crann na Beatha · 11-04-2012 8:49pm

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paullyons00 · 11-04-2012 8:50pm

I expected to be critized harshly for my opinions on this matter.

you probably all think 'm some kind of pro-communist loo-la, I'm actually not

I just dont think their is any other way of achieving said goal.

coffee_cake · 11-04-2012 8:50pm

paullyons00 wrote: »

I expected to be critized harshly for my opinions on this matter.

you probably all think 'm some kind of pro-communist loo-la, I'm actually not

I just dont think their is any other way of achieving said goal.

it's a stupid goal, that's why

mackg · 11-04-2012 8:50pm

Better idea:

Imprison everybody immediately and force them to learn it, then do your system of two exams with all people failing the second being executed.

Hey presto 100% of the population can speak the language.

bb1234567 · 11-04-2012 8:50pm

So even if someones a slow learner or has below avg intelligence theyll end up going to jail if they arent fluent in the language after 5 years:eek: seems kind of harsh

The King of Moo · 11-04-2012 8:52pm

This sounds like Na Cluichí Ocrais.

lividduck · 11-04-2012 8:53pm

paullyons00 wrote: »

I expected to be critized harshly for my opinions on this matter.

you probably all think 'm some kind of pro-communist loo-la, I'm actually not

I just dont think their is any other way of achieving said goal.

Said goal is unacievable by any means. Now about that goatsmeat, decided which way you want it yet?

partyatmygaff · 11-04-2012 8:54pm

Why should we prop up a dying language instead of letting nature take its course?

bb1234567 · 11-04-2012 8:54pm

I think everyone should be forced to speak irish on the street in public and if caught speaking english there given a small fine of 10 euro or so. But only in public, and Im sure people will get used speaking irish so much from being out in public that theyll eventually begin to speak irish at home too. And tourists or non natives can be given some kind of card to wear or something so theyre not fined, and people are allowed speak to said people in english.

Iwasfrozen · 11-04-2012 8:56pm

paullyons00 wrote: »

Any candidate who fails the second exam should be stripped of their rights and citizenship and should face a hefty prison sentence.

Emm you know it's internationally illegal to take citizenship of a person who only has irish citizenship?

GaryIrv93 · 11-04-2012 8:56pm

With that OP, forcing people even more will create even further resentment and hatred towards Irish (if that's even possible). A bit harsh as well, considering that Irish is of little use in this day and age for most young people, so there's almost no point in forcing Irish down student's throats when it is of little to no benefit to them. A waste of time, money and total disrespect for student's rights.

If students were given the freedom to choose it or not then resentment would die down, and even more if Irish was taught better. That's how to revive a language.

Babybuff · 11-04-2012 8:57pm

would never work, the way Irish is taught makes it impossible to learn and use in our daily lives. It is mostly grammar based and less constructive to fluent expression. The only way to learn it would be to hear it spoken regularly and eventually you will be able to reciprocate. you can figure out the grammar afterwards.

Micky Dolenz · 11-04-2012 9:03pm

Another Irish language thread, just what we need.

Enkidu · 11-04-2012 9:08pm

Not extreme enough.

First of all anybody who doesn't speak Irish should be deported to our off-world colonies to work with the Irish speaking synthoid miners. The synthoids will be programmed with a systematic hate of English and will be permanently set to "sodomy mode". If the colonist learn enough Irish they can return to Earth on one of the G-class cruisers.

Stained Class · 11-04-2012 9:12pm

Aquila wrote: »

Is your surname Hitler by any chance?

Nah, I think it might be O'Hitler.

cocoshovel · 11-04-2012 9:13pm

Id rather emmigrate

Jess16 · 11-04-2012 9:13pm

Another thinly veiled teacher bashing thread :rolleyes:

Languages are learned through immersion and retained through use -not the incredibly limited number of hours permitted to teachers by the curriculum that they're supposed to work miracles with.

But hey, don't let that stop you from blaming teachers because you haven't bothered your barney to put in an ounce of effort outside of the 45 minutes a day you chose to sleep through at school and expect to come out fluent.

Taithí a dhéanann máistreacht!

wilkie2006 · 11-04-2012 9:14pm

partyatmygaff wrote: »

Why should we prop up a dying language instead of letting nature take its course?

Eh... because it's important to Irish culture?

That's one of the most ignorant post I've read in a long time. What're you views on literature and the arts? Waste of time and money?

Jesus.

Mal-Adjusted · 11-04-2012 9:16pm

Babybuff wrote: »

would never work, the way Irish is taught makes it impossible to learn and use in our daily lives. It is mostly grammar based and less constructive to fluent expression. The only way to learn it would be to hear it spoken regularly and eventually you will be able to reciprocate. you can figure out the grammar afterwards.

this is true. having a specific time of max 40 minutes a day dedicated to irish in school will never turn out a large number of irish speakers

How to revive the Irish language.

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