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Human Evolution - Are we done??

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,562 ✭✭✭scientific1982


    msg11 wrote: »
    Doubt it , sure I think there are kid's in Africa been born with a resistance to HIV/AIDS
    Roughly 10% of Europeans have some resistence to HIV and about 1% are immune.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 27,857 ✭✭✭✭Dave!


    seamus wrote: »
    Actually I think we're becoming entirely the opposite. 200 years ago, you were lucky to go to school, you got a job before you turned ten and worked at that job for the next fifty years before you dropped dead. Your brain was no more exercised than the effort it took to do your work, go home, look after your kids, wash, rinse, repeat for fifty years.

    We have now engineered our own personal freedoms which gives us the ability to effectively do whatever the hell we want and avoid the routine of the day - our minds have never been more exercised and fed with information than they have been over the last fifty years.

    Computers and automated technologies generally don't "dumb down" what we're doing - they remove the mundane and easily-understood parts so that all we're left with is the more complex logic which we can't yet model or perform autonomously.

    And it never has been. The vast majority of people live their life in mundanity. But that trend has been slowly eroding - how many people do you know have changed jobs over the last ten years, or gone travelling, or done varying forms of training and education? How many people do you think realistically had any of those options 100 years ago?

    Computers turn a 6-hour manual job into a 6-second automatic one. Sure, it means that many previous manual skills fall into decline - think knitting and wood-turning, but that doesn't mean that people are getting stupider or losing the ability to do these things. How many people could carve a good stone spear out of sticks and shale? Do you lament that we've lost the skill of making a quality loincloth from bear skins?
    We don't? So we're just paying universty professors and the ESA to sit around scratching their arses all day?
    "Back in the day", you barely had time to take a ****, never mind mull on the trivialities of life. In fact, thinking about things was frowned upon - you accepted what you were told and STFU.
    Compelling!


  • Registered Users Posts: 109 ✭✭draylander


    A few arguments about our species going forward as a whole

    Jedward
    X-Factor
    Facebook
    Fade Street/The hills/MTV in general
    Limerick
    Txt Language
    The irish people (myself in general)....etc etc.


    the list goes on


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 17,661 ✭✭✭✭Helix


    we have no real need to evolve any more, at least not in major ways

    we've got no predators; if we get sick we have medicines; if we are born defective, we can still live perfectly fine lives

    when you start prolonging the lives of people who would otherwise have died due to their particular evolutionary lineage, and they start reproducing, then youre pretty much at an evolutionary standstill

    next is augmentation of our bodies with technology - not natural evolution as such, but we're probably done with that


  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    There is a theory in anthropology that we have been evolving at a much faster rate since the advent of agriculture, the theory goes genetic changes now happen in 30-60 generations, perhaps sooner as the new and exciting field of epigenetics shares more light on the subject.

    We know that changes in diet can influence the genetics in cats and mice in 3 generations or so, pretty much every stimulus given to your body switches on or off a pertinent gene. Maybe in 60 generations we'll be perfectly adapted to eating junkfood as our main source of calories.

    Our environment is changing drastically, our lives have become unrecognisable from even a generation ago, seems only logical that our genes would be affected by this, though the repercussions may be a few generations off yet.

    As for computers removing mundane tasks from our lives: As a person who works in IT all I have to say to that is HA!

    Edited to say that some people seem to think that the only way that genetic changes occur is by some people being eaten by a tiger before they procreate, that's true but it's not the only way our genes change.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,941 ✭✭✭thebigbiffo


    i personally think our brains will evolve at a faster rate than our bodies and we'll have big massive heads with no hair (cos lets face it it's fairly useless atm) with small bodies, big eyes and long fingers to suit our technological advancement. we'll also have very little exposure to sunlight (as we'll have ruined the atmosphere of the planet and will live in specialist artifical environments) so we will have grey skin - couple this with the telepathic powers we'll all have because our superintelligent brains will be fine tuned to the natural energy our bodies give off (aura) and you've basically got this:

    http://crazy-news.net/newspaper/newspaper1/large_grey.jpg

    now, anyone up for a trip to the conspiracy forum to discuss how 'aliens' are actually time travellers?

    btw, i'm dead f'uckin serious...sort of :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 31,008 ✭✭✭✭Lumen


    the new and exciting field of epigenetics shares more light on the subject...some people seem to think that the only way that genetic changes occur is by some people being eaten by a tiger before they procreate, that's true but it's not the only way our genes change.

    If epigenics does not involve structural DNA changes, what has that to do with evolution?


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Antomus Prime


    ]

    now, anyone up for a trip to the conspiracy forum to discuss how 'aliens' are actually time travellers?

    btw, i'm dead f'uckin serious...sort of :pac:

    Ha ha interesting theory, i should let a mate of mine have a read of this cause he genuinely is convinced that time travel is possible and there's people from the future walking around everyday


  • Moderators, Music Moderators Posts: 11,792 Mod ✭✭✭✭iamstop


    Some of us will evolve camel like humps (no toes) to store water after the global warming reaches tipping point.

    The rest will perish.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,593 ✭✭✭Sea Sharp


    Evolution as we knew it won't be happening anymore.
    Survival of the fittest doesn't apply when the majority of children grow to be adults and smart people choose to not have kids while dumb poor people are multiplying like Irish Catholics.


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  • Users Awaiting Email Confirmation Posts: 5,620 ✭✭✭El_Dangeroso


    Lumen wrote: »
    If epigenics does not involve structural DNA changes, what has that to do with evolution?

    Who says it doesn't involve structural changes?

    Edited to say: Oops, posted too quickly while skim-reading. Can gene expression not lead to permanent mutation no?


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,466 ✭✭✭Snakeblood


    appendix and little fingers will go next, maybe hair too.

    Then GILLS.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    seamus wrote: »
    Computers turn a 6-hour manual job into a 6-second automatic one. Sure, it means that many previous manual skills fall into decline - think knitting and wood-turning, .
    When it comes to this machines take care of the practical side of supplying people with things they need and frees up the skilled labour and artist to create things that are not only better and more interesting. Before the advent of these machines all these things were to expensive to buy and lay people tried to make the best example they could. It's not that they were particularly skilled it's just they had no choice.
    i personally think our brains will evolve at a faster rate than our bodies and we'll have big massive heads with no hair (cos lets face it it's fairly useless atm)
    Tell it to the females because now for the first time in a long time in human history they're back in control of our evolution (because they can decide who they will mate with now).


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,610 ✭✭✭stoneill


    As long as the human race evolves into something that is better than what it currently is.


  • Moderators, Regional East Moderators Posts: 23,199 Mod ✭✭✭✭GLaDOS


    Evolution never stops on a species, except in he case of mass extinctions. Everything looks rosy now, but if there's a massive change in environment, natural selection will kick in.

    Cake, and grief counseling, will be available at the conclusion of the test



  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Alaia Important Puppet


    Since in the modern world, what's more important for survival these days is determined by social issues, it's possible that what we'll see by the genetic processes that are constantly going on is more diversity in our species.


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,956 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    As far as I'm aware evolution only favours traits that allow the carriers to survive long enough to procreate, which ment in the times before modern medicine only the very strongest survived until adulthood to pass their genes on. Nowadays tho we might be getting weaker without natural selection.
    Of course I'm not a biologist so I'm probably just bullsh*ting here :pac:
    No - that's a good way of putting it, I think. I'm not a biologist either, but I read things. All manner of things that used to kill us, before we could breed, are no longer fatal. Recessive genes allow diseases to skip generations, so you can suffer from something that your ancestors didn't - except that you can now survive long enough to breed, thanks to modern medicine.

    Another example is Haemophilia, which was deadly to the ordinary person, and affects far more men than women (for genetic reasons). However, it has long treatable by transfusion if you could afford it, and had a privilieged lifestyle that didn't risk injury - if you were a member of a royal family, for example. The Romanovs suffered from it, and Queen Victoria was a carrier: two of her great-grandsons in the Spanish royal family had it, and died from minor injuries after car crashes.

    From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’.

    — Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut



  • Registered Users Posts: 32,370 ✭✭✭✭Son Of A Vidic


    Wazdakka wrote: »
    I would have said exactly the opposite. I reckon were killing off our natural immune system by being paranoid and over protective..

    Absolutely, ironically the more 'sterile' our living environments are made.The more weakened our immune systems will become over time.


  • Posts: 0 ✭✭✭ Alaia Important Puppet


    Absolutely, ironically the more 'sterile' our living environments are made.The more weakened our immune systems will become over time.

    Although Life Expectancy is growing at a very quick rate so surely the benefits of increased sterility are outweighing the disadvantages of having weakened immune systems.


  • Registered Users Posts: 28,789 ✭✭✭✭ScumLord


    Although Life Expectancy is growing at a very quick rate
    More to do with medicine than preventative action I think.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,075 ✭✭✭IamtheWalrus


    OP, I don't mean to be rude but can you stop thanking the majority of posts?


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,949 ✭✭✭The Waltzing Consumer


    OP, I don't mean to be rude but can you stop thanking the majority of posts?

    Someone needs a thanking!!!! :P


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Antomus Prime


    OP, I don't mean to be rude but can you stop thanking the majority of posts?

    Lol i was just doing it at the start then when NothinMan decided to bring it up i just kept doing it as a laugh in response to his comment. Have stopped now though. It kept me amused in my boring ass job for a little while


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,047 ✭✭✭Jamiekelly


    --Kaiser-- wrote: »
    This is a myth. No scientific study has ever proved this statement.

    Neuroscientist Barry Beyerstein sets out seven kinds of evidence refuting the ten percent myth:

    * Studies of brain damage: If 90% of the brain is normally unused, then damage to these areas should not impair performance. Instead, there is almost no area of the brain that can be damaged without loss of abilities. Even slight damage to small areas of the brain can have profound effects.

    * Evolution: The brain is enormously costly to the rest of the body, in terms of oxygen and nutrient consumption. If 90% of it were unnecessary, there would be a large survival advantage to humans with smaller, more efficient brains. If this were true, the process of natural selection would have eliminated the inefficient brains.

    * Brain imaging: Technologies such as Positron Emission Tomography (PET) and Functional Magnetic Resonance Imaging (fMRI) allow the activity of the living brain to be monitored. They reveal that even during sleep, all parts of the brain show some level of activity. Only in the case of serious damage does a brain have "silent" areas.

    * Localization of function: Rather than acting as a single mass, the brain has distinct regions for different kinds of information processing. Decades of research has gone into mapping functions onto areas of the brain, and no function-less areas have been found.

    * Microstructural analysis: In the single-unit recording technique, researchers insert a tiny electrode into the brain to monitor the activity of a single cell. If 90% of cells were unused, then this technique would have revealed that.

    * Metabolic studies: Another scientific technique involves studying the take-up of radioactively labelled 2-deoxyglucose molecules by the brain. If 90 percent of the brain were inactive, then those inactive cells would be show up as blank areas in a radiograph of the brain. Again, there is no such result.

    * Neural disease: Brain cells that are not used have a tendency to degenerate. Hence if 90% of the brain were inactive, autopsy of adult brains would reveal large-scale degeneration

    If I copy stuff off wikipedia will I get random thanks? :pac:


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Antomus Prime


    Someone needs a thanking!!!! :P

    The urge to Thank is growing far FAR too strong!!!!!! :p


  • Registered Users Posts: 56 ✭✭chebonaparte


    http://books.google.ie/books?id=j3t1AoCXYDEC&dq=ascent+science&hl=en&ei=uBkJTYjCKqGqhAe23fHEDw&sa=X&oi=book_result&ct=result&resnum=1&ved=0CCcQ6AEwAA

    if u have grasp junior cert science this will enlighten,

    jacob bronowski had brilliant series on bbc years back too..


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Antomus Prime


    Jamiekelly wrote: »
    If I copy stuff off wikipedia will I get random thanks? :pac:

    Just cause you asked with Pacman, I can never say no to Pacman!! :D


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,776 ✭✭✭Big Pussy Bonpensiero


    Had this conversation with my science teacher way back in 3rd year. He think it possible that waaaay into the future we'll lose;
    1. Our hair. Serves no function.
    2. Our small fingers. Again, serves no function.
    3. Our teeth. As food is becoming more and more processed our teeth will become redundant.
    I'm not sure about this one but he also thought its possible that we could someday lose our skulls and rib-cages.

    I believe that our immune system will become a lot more resistant to diseases such as aids and cancer (and with the love of God sti's!).


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,463 ✭✭✭Antomus Prime


    THFC wrote: »
    I'm not sure about this one but he also thought its possible that we could someday lose our skulls and rib-cages.

    I would be very interested to hear his theories about loosing our skulls and rib cages????? Did he ever give you and examples of why he believed this?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 8,449 ✭✭✭Call Me Jimmy


    ahahaha no.


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