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Favourite WW2 Books / Publications

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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 259 ✭✭DublinDes


    surripere wrote: »
    All of Anthony Beevors books naturally. Russia's War by Richard Overy & Armageddon by Max Hastings.
    Yes, Max Hastings is very good alright.


  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Arnold Layne


    Is Max Hasting's book Nemesis: The Battle for Japan, 1944-45 any good?

    I recommend Ivan's War by Catherine Merridale for an insight into the Red Army pre OPeration Barbarossa up to the fall of Berlin


  • Registered Users Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    Antony Beevor was doing a lecture in my college on the 6th - my birthday, and there was a free wine reception afterwards. As proof that the world hates me I started feeling a bit fluish the day beforehand and ended up in hospital on the 6th with ketoacidosis and found out that my 'flu' was feckin swine flu. I'm only out now and I have an unsigned copy of Beevors D-Day. :mad:.

    As a side note, I recommend 'Fighting Power' by Martin Van Creveld if you can get a copy cheap. I also recommend 'The Face of Battle' by John Keegan.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 496 ✭✭surripere


    Bummer dude, sure sucks. Then again ye might of died. Have'nt read Nemesis, Pacific theatre does'nt interest us much. I found Armageddon an excellant read, the best I've read on the western front.


  • Registered Users Posts: 975 ✭✭✭Arnold Layne


    surripere wrote: »
    Bummer dude, sure sucks. Then again ye might of died. Have'nt read Nemesis, Pacific theatre does'nt interest us much. I found Armageddon an excellant read, the best I've read on the western front.

    Thanks re Nemesis. I might give it a go as I found Armageddon an excellent read. I have read much about the war in Europe and want to explore what happened in the Pacific.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭kowloon


    I wouldn't mind something more Japanese oriented, almost everything has a very American bias, even though it's often not intended.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    The best I have read is probably Berlin by Anthony Beevor. Armageddon by Max Hastings comes a close second, others I'd recommend would be The Black Angels by Rupert Butler and The Battle of France, 1940 by Philip Warner. The Battle of France in particular is excellent, as it's a stage of the war that tends to be constantly overlooked owing to it's early and short place.

    I have dozens upon dozens of books here, haven't even read all of them...

    the black angels is a bit dated. there are several better books out on the SS


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    Morlar wrote: »
    Apparently there are a handful of copies of the May 1945 edition of that which are extremely collectible. You should post those up on the militaria forum when they arrive. Signal and Der Wehrmacht are always fascinating, the adverts and pictures and content are all very interesting in my view.

    i think Chapters in Dublin has a few Signal magazines reproduced in book format. look upstairs where the second hand books are. you really will find the most unusal of books there. am peeved with them though that they do not give discounts ot loyalty points.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    tribulus wrote: »
    Bomber Boys by Mel Rolfe. A collection of stories and interviews from bomber crews over occupied Europe, very interesting.

    Monte Casino by Sven Hassel. As has been mentioned I'm sure there was more than a little poetic license in his books but I thought this one was great with characters like the Legionaire and Tiny, brilliant!

    As a matter of interest does anyone know where I could get a copy of the book in Dublin by any chance? Or online? I lost mine several years ago.

    Edit: There's also a brilliant book about Stalingrad written by a soldier who was in the German 6th (I think) Army who survived the fighting and capture. Henry something was the name, if anyone finds that also that would be great :) //OT

    'wheels of Terror' was filmed, but its not great


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    jonsnow wrote: »
    I think I have that book. its just called Monte Cassino.Its about a german panzer regiment.Its quite good but one thing always bugged me about it.It has the regiment clashing with US marines (veterans of the pacific).But I don,t think the marines ever served in Italy.Could be wrong though.

    hassel's descriptions of german regiments at certain location at certain times does not tally either.

    there used to be a guy called Leo Kessler/ Charles Whiting. i enjoyed his books as a teenager.


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  • Registered Users Posts: 1,638 ✭✭✭ollaetta


    Leo Kessler, now there's a name from the past. Used to read loads of them but unfortunately didn't keep any. I seem to remember him being a kind of "Sven Hassel - lite".

    I still have 10 Sven Hassel books which I bought in the 70s. Keep meaning to read them again but there is so much good stuff out there to get through first.

    Just finished Leningrad - State of Siege by Michael Jones which was very interesting. Another good one I read recently was Endgame 1945 by David Stafford which covers the last months of the war and the aftermath.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    Just Got a copy of This :)

    It's in German and English, and the illustrations are pretty damn good ;)

    Some other interesting books on Here too.

    .


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    ollaetta wrote: »
    Leo Kessler, now there's a name from the past. Used to read loads of them but unfortunately didn't keep any. I seem to remember him being a kind of "Sven Hassel - lite".

    I still have 10 Sven Hassel books which I bought in the 70s. Keep meaning to read them again but there is so much good stuff out there to get through first.

    Just finished Leningrad - State of Siege by Michael Jones which was very interesting. Another good one I read recently was Endgame 1945 by David Stafford which covers the last months of the war and the aftermath.


    kessler based his fictional characters on real people such as Peiper.he really did churn out the books.havenät read one in 20 years. not sure if tehz would still appeal to me just like Commando Comics (they are still on the go).


    found a book called Devil'S Guard in A Second Hand bookshop recently. easy reading and quite fascinating.

    Devil's Guard, by George Robert Elford published in 1971, is the story of a former German Waffen-SS officer's string of near-constant combat that begins on World War II's eastern front and continues into the book's focus--the First Indochina War, as an officer in the French Foreign Legion. The book is presented by the author as nonfiction but considered to be untrue by military historians, and usually sold as fiction.[1] In 2006 the online bookstore AbeBooks reported that it was among the 10 novels most frequently sold to American soldiers in Iraq (the only war fiction in the top 10, in fact).[1]


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    ollaetta wrote: »
    Leo Kessler, now there's a name from the past. Used to read loads of them but unfortunately didn't keep any. I seem to remember him being a kind of "Sven Hassel - lite".

    I still have 10 Sven Hassel books which I bought in the 70s. Keep meaning to read them again but there is so much good stuff out there to get through first.

    Just finished Leningrad - State of Siege by Michael Jones which was very interesting. Another good one I read recently was Endgame 1945 by David Stafford which covers the last months of the war and the aftermath.

    Sven Hassel books are to WW2 what the Sharpe books are to the Napoleonic wars. Theres a bit of truth to them but a lot of exaggeration and over the top writing. They are entertaining books though.

    I just got this in the post. I've just skimmed through bits of it at the moment but it gives a fairly dispassionate and even account of the battle for the Rzhev pocket which was going on at the same time as the more famous battle for Stalingrad.

    Stalingrad is the more famous battle but Rzhev was it seems just as important an education for the Red Army in what not to do and it encapsulates how good the german officer corps was in small unit combat and counterattacking but also how desperately short of manpower they were at that stage (late 1942)


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,348 ✭✭✭✭siblers


    I'm currently reading The Thin Red Line, loved the film and the book is really good too, not read a whole lot of fiction, Charlotte Gray was good enough but a bit long. For faction, most of the main ones, Band of Brothers/ Stalingrad, Berlin, With The Old Breed, Citizen Soldiers, Pegasus Bridge, The Pacific, few more as well I can't think of.

    Has anyone read The Victors by Stephen Ambrose? It seems very, very similar to Citizen Soldiers.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 29,930 ✭✭✭✭TerrorFirmer


    Leo Kessler - I was under the impression that this was complete fiction, and not even a realistic pseudo name, I've read a few of the books - available in euro 2/poundshop stores nationside, incidentally - and found them entertaining, but grossly inaccurate, historically. But, not being entirely sure, I'd be grateful if anyone could enlighten me as to the authors identity, credentials and accuracy :)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    He is Charles Whiting ;

    http://www.wehrmacht-awards.com/forums/showthread.php?t=278066&highlight=leo+kessler&page=2

    Acc wikipedia

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Charles_Whiting

    Whiting was attached to the 52nd Reconnaissance Regiment and by the age of 18 saw duty as a sergeant in France, Holland, Belgium and Germany in the latter stages of World War II. While still a soldier, he observed conflicts between the highest-ranking British and American generals which he would write about extensively in later years.


  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭RedRebel


    Have a few new contributions and some repeat entries to endorse.

    1. The Forgotten Soldier - Guy Sajer
    As has been mentioned several times, this is a must. One of my all time favourite war memoirs.

    2. Panzer Commanger - Hans Von Luck
    Mentioned already by another poster also. A very vivid account of the war from a man who served in seemingly every major part of the ETO and North Africa. Great writing style and frankness, his ability to convey a picture of the scene he witnessed is quite good.

    3. The Big Show - Pierre Clostermann
    For those of you with any interest in the air war over Europe this is by far the best first hand account of many that I have read. Clostermann claimed the most kills of any RAF/FAF pilots during the war second only to Johnny Johnson (whose memoirs are also excellent). A really good read with some funny and sad events threaded throughout.

    All I can post right now but more to come.


  • Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    RedRebel wrote: »
    3. The Big Show - Pierre Clostermann
    For those of you with any interest in the air war over Europe this is by far the best first hand account of many that I have read. Clostermann claimed the most kills of any RAF/FAF pilots during the war second only to Johnny Johnson (whose memoirs are also excellent). A really good read with some funny and sad events threaded throughout.

    All I can post right now but more to come.

    I flew for the Fuhrer by Heinz Knoke is pretty good too, it has some good accounts of taking on heavy bombers and their escort fighters. I've read some of "Blond Knight of Germany" by Erich Hartmann too, the post war accounts are especially harrowing.


  • Registered Users Posts: 78 ✭✭RedRebel


    I flew for the Fuhrer by Heinz Knoke is pretty good too, it has some good accounts of taking on heavy bombers and their escort fighters. I've read some of "Blond Knight of Germany" by Erich Hartmann too, the post war accounts are especially harrowing.

    Read 'I Flew For The Fuhrer' last year, excellent book, the part with dropping the bombs on the B25s :eek:, similarly for his mission taking off in the 109 with a bent wing. He was a brave man, and very lucky. Funnily enough, I was lucky enough to pick up a cheap older edition hardback of this last week in Sydney to re-read while I'm working here. It's just as good as I remember it tbh!

    Have wanted to read Hartmann's book but it's quite pricey last I checked online, might I ask where you got your copy and for how much?


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  • Registered Users Posts: 7,020 ✭✭✭BlaasForRafa


    RedRebel wrote: »
    Read 'I Flew For The Fuhrer' last year, excellent book, the part with dropping the bombs on the B25s :eek:, similarly for his mission taking off in the 109 with a bent wing. He was a brave man, and very lucky. Funnily enough, I was lucky enough to pick up a cheap older edition hardback of this last week in Sydney to re-read while I'm working here. It's just as good as I remember it tbh!

    Have wanted to read Hartmann's book but it's quite pricey last I checked online, might I ask where you got your copy and for how much?

    The parachute bomb thing was mental but fairly effective. Its another own goal by the luftwaffe high command that they didn't pursue it more. The parts about him being chased into a dive by a whole squadron of P-47 showed how hopeless the luftwaffe pilots task was in the late war.

    I got Blond Knight from Amazon.com for about $20 last year, the exchange rate was about 1.44 at the time so it wasn't too bad and I was buying a pile of books from them anyway.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    i just finished reading 'After the Reich'. garphic details of how the Germans were tortured after VE Day. could make you rethink a few things about how we view the conflict.


    Review: After the Reich by Giles MacDonogh

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    Americans have a very benign view of the postwar occupation of Germany. In the conventional narrative, the US liberated the German people from Nazi tyranny, schooled them in Western-style democracy, brought them market-driven prosperity, and protected them from the evil Soviet empire. But the historical truth is rather different, especially for the period from the Armistice in 1945 to the Berlin Airlift in 1948. This is the period covered in Giles MacDonogh's book After the Reich: The Brutal History of the Allied Occupation. With startling detail, MacDonogh tells a story of rape, ethnic cleansing, pillage, starvation and slavery that resulted in an estimated 3 million German deaths (1 million of which were POWs) after Germany surrendered. Of the two million civilians who perished, the vast majority were women, children and elderly Germans who fell victim to suicide, hunger, disease and mass murder.
    The first chapters of the After the Reich are perhaps the most gruesome, since MacDonogh describes the fate of the women and girls in the Soviet occupied territories. Hardly any - even as young as 8-years old or as old as 80 - escaped being brutally raped, sometimes as many as 25 times - 25 times a day. This led to a wave of suicides, atrocious injuries of young girls, terrible venereal disease (when there were no antibiotics available) and pregnancies. Nor were the Russians entirely alone in their enthusiasm for rape: On April 17-18, 1945, French soldiers raped at least 600 women in the small Black Forest town of Freudenstadt, before going on to Stuttgart where they raped another 3,000 women and eight men. American forces prohibited rape, but there were more than 600 courts-marshal involving rape charges against American soldiers. Only the Brits come off better, since they preferred to barter cigarettes and chocolate for sex with the defeated enemy.
    Then MacDonogh tells the largely untold story of the slaughter of more than 250,000 Sudeten Germans by Czech nationalists, as well as similar stories of ethnic cleansing in Poland, Silesia, and East Prussia - a predictable outcome from the Yalta Conference. This sad chapter of postwar history deserves a great deal more study, and MacDonogh deserves much credit for bringing to the attention of American readers.

    The other area where MacDonogh breaks new ground is his inclusion of Austria in his study of the postwar occupation. The author clearly has special knowledge of Austria, and uses it to great advantage in his description of the fall of Vienna and subsequent discussion of Austria's occupied zones and sectors. After the war, Austria presented itself to the world as the first victim of Nazism, but it clearly was not perceived as such by the Allied forces, and After the Reich provides a much needed corrective on that score.
    MacDonogh discusses the treatment of German POWs in some detail, and this is an especially painful chapter for Americans. After Germany's unconditional surrender the status of the millions of German POWs changed to DEP (Disarmed Enemy Persons), which meant they were no longer subject to the Geneva Conventions. Food rations were immediately reduced and starvation became commonplace. The most notorious American camps were the Rheinwiesenlager - the Rhine Meadow Camps - where more than 400,000 prisoners were left to starve out in open in the mud. 10% of them died from hunger, disease and exposure. The "lucky" ones were herded into former Nazi concentration camps - such as Dachau - where they were treated horribly and many died. I had read about some of this abuse in Ernst von Salomon 's autobiographical book Der Fragebogen (The Questionnaire), where he describes in detail his treatment as a prisoner of the Americans, and MacDonogh also draws on von Salomon's account. Former Wehrmacht and SS officers were subjected to brutal "interrogations". At Schwaebisch Hall, a particularly infamous prison near Stuttgart for officials suspected of major war crimes, MacDonogh writes:
    The Americans had used methods similar to those employed by the SS in Dachau. … Worse still were the mock executions, where the men were led off in hoods, while their guards told them they were approaching the gallows. Prisoners were actually lifted bodily off the ground to convince them they were about to swing. More conventional methods of torture included kicks to the groin, deprivation of sleep and food and savage beatings. When the Americans set up a commission of inquiry into the methods used by their investigators, they found that, of the 139 cases examined, 137 had “had their testicles permanently destroyed by kicks received from the American War Crimes Investigation team.”
    So this puts our treatment of enemy combatants in Guantanamo in historical context.
    Much more research into the fate of 8 million German POWs needs to be conducted. For example, how did the treatment of German POWs at American and Canadian POW camps change after the war ended? I've already looked into this a bit. It also appears that the Americans and British were happy to contract out German prisoners as slave laborers to France and Belgium.
    There are some weaknesses to MacDonogh's book, mostly because he tries to cover too much ground. For example, his revisionist take on the Nuremberg Trials is rushed. After the Reich probably contains the foundations for three or four new books on immediate postwar European history. But it is an important book which should be read along with Joerg Friedrich's Der Brand ( The Fire: The Bombing of Germany 1940-1945). The truth of "The Good War" and its aftermath needs to be told.


  • Registered Users Posts: 5,371 ✭✭✭Fuinseog


    siblers wrote: »
    I'm currently reading The Thin Red Line, loved the film and the book is really good too, not read a whole lot of fiction, Charlotte Gray was good enough but a bit long. For faction, most of the main ones, Band of Brothers/ Stalingrad, Berlin, With The Old Breed, Citizen Soldiers, Pegasus Bridge, The Pacific, few more as well I can't think of.

    Has anyone read The Victors by Stephen Ambrose? It seems very, very similar to Citizen Soldiers.


    my problem with Band of Brothers is that it is someting of a flag waver and looks at the americans through rose tinted glasses. the book seems to justify the murder of german civilians and looting.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    Here are a couple of books I would recommend on the subject of the 2nd SS Das Reich. This was an SS Division that fought in Poland, Belgium, Holland, France and then Russia, then France again towards the end of the war & again Germany. Basically wherever the fighting was at it's worst they were again and again thrown in against desperate odds to fix things from the German side (including Kursk, Kharkow, Normandy etc).

    Das Reich: The Military Role Of The 2nd SS Division (Paperback)
    by James Lucas (Author)


    http://www.flipkart.com/das-reich-james-lucas-military-book-0304351997

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    Book Summary of Das Reich: The Military Role Of The 2nd SS Division
    The 2nd SS Division was an elite, highly trained fighting force that saw action in some of World War II's bloodiest battles. Especially in the Eastern front, these often included close-quarter, hand-to-hand combat. Starting with the organization and recruitment of the division and following it throughout the war, the story of this evil but powerful force unfolds through reminiscences by many of the unit's men, along with photographs and other memorabilia.


    Das Reich: The March of the 2nd Panzer Division Through France, 1944 [Paperback]
    Max Hastings Sir (Author)



    http://www.amazon.co.uk/Das-Reich-Divisio-Division-Through/dp/0330483897

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    Product Description

    Within days of the D-Day landings, the 'Das Reich' 2nd SS Panzer Division marched north through France to reinforce the front-line defenders of Hitler's Fortress Europe. Veterans of the bloddiest fighting of the Russian Front, 15,000 men with tanks and artillery, they were hounded for every mile of their march by saboteurs of the Resistance and agents of the Allied Special Forces. Along their route they took reprisals so savage they will live forever in the chronicles of the most appalling atrocities of war.

    'My literary VC goes without doubt to Max Hastings for his Das Reich... the story of a march that left behind a trail of blood and death, torture and heroism....the slaughter and burning to death of 642 men, women and children of Oradour-sur-Glane...the hanging of 99 civilians from the lamp-posts of Tulle as a reprisal for Maquis action' Sunday Telegraph

    Taken together both books give a reasonable overall view. One focuses on their military history solely, summarising the overall campaigns from their origins to the end with some mindblowing anecdotes mixed in.

    The other book (Hastings one) concentrates entirely on the march from Toulon in souther France to Normandy beginning on D-Day +2 and goes into great detail on the subjects of Oradour-sur-Glane (whereas the first book mentions it as practically a footnote).

    As an FYI there is also an interesting critique of the Hastings book here:
    http://www.oradour.info/appendix/landwehr.htm

    I would say the critique is at least 50% accurate but it is still a book worth reading.

    There are another couple on the das Reich I am in the middle of and will post up links to shortly.


  • Registered Users Posts: 9 PEB


    S.E Ambrose books are generally pretty good, Citizen Soldiers is one of my favourites.

    Could anyone recommend a book told from an Irish soldiers perspective? I've read books from the English, German, Russian, Canadian and ANZAK sides but I was never able to find one by an Irish soldier


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 15,686 Mod ✭✭✭✭Tabnabs


    I just want to say thank you to those who have recommended The Forgotten Soldier. I have just finished reading it and it was enthralling.

    I in turn would like to recommend The Next Moon by Andre Hue
    Andre Hue was born in Swansea of a Welsh mother and French father, and brought up in France. He was recruited by SOE and parachuted into Brittany, where he displayed outstanding bravery for which he was awarded both the DSO and the Croix de Guerre.


  • Registered Users Posts: 4,072 ✭✭✭marcsignal


    Just got a loan of The Rommel Papers. Have only started it, but it's facinating reading, and a great insight into the man himself, his thoughts, fears, and aspirations.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 JayWhizzle


    My favourites are:

    1. Forgotten Soldier - Guy Sajer: Incredible book, his description of fear of being under attack from artillery is amazing.
    2. Ghost Soldiers - Hampton Sides: A real easy read, read it in two days while travelling. Great story about Bataan Death March and the daring Rangers raid on the death camp.
    3. Petain's Crimes - Paul Webster: An aspect of the war that I wasn't aware of until I read it. A story about the crimes committed by the Vichy government in France.
    4. I've read all Stephen E. Ambrose books except for D-Day and Pegasus Bridge. As one poster has already said Citizen Soldiers and The Victors are very similar, found myself re-reading the cover to try and find out how the two books were supposed to be different. Wild Blue and Band of Brothers are my favourites. Big fan of Ronald Speirs!!
    5. Their Darkest Hour - Laurence Rees: A collection of short stories on autrocities committed during WW2. Had to put the book down sometimes it was so shocking.

    Next for me: I bought Berlin by Beevor. Can't wait. Heard before (as mentioned here) that Stalingrad is a tougher read than Berlin. The Rape of Nanking. Also want to read Rees other book Auschwitz.

    Great thread!! I love reading about World War 2, can't get enough!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 7 JayWhizzle


    Fuinseog wrote: »
    my problem with Band of Brothers is that it is someting of a flag waver and looks at the americans through rose tinted glasses. the book seems to justify the murder of german civilians and looting.

    I know what you mean by saying that Band of Brothers paints a very pretty picture of the Americans fighting in Europe but on the flip side I liked he references to how the American GI realised that the picture they had brought to the war of the Germans being an evil race was very much wrong. There are a number of references in his books to how the GI's realised how similar the german soldiers (excluding SS) were to the GI's themselves. It made me seperate the ordinary front german troops from the SS, SD and Gestapo. There is a tendency to bundle them all together as animals. From reading Forgotten soldier and Blood Red Snow you realise how little the ordinary Wermacht soldier knew about the autrocities that were being committed by the SS et al and all they wanted to do was survive.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 9,273 ✭✭✭Morlar


    JayWhizzle wrote: »
    references in his books to how the GI's realised how similar the german soldiers (excluding SS) were to the GI's themselves.

    Why exclude them ? Do you not think there were ordinary men in those fighting divisions also ?


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