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At what age did you become a Right Wing Nutter ?

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    #92
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    GombeanMan wrote: »
    Bring in a child licence I say. Pushing out babies at the expense of other people should not be a career option:) It costs far too much. There are too many people on this earth as it stands already.

    Mass sterilisations of the proletariat you say? Hmmm, have you considered eugenics yet?


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    #93
    BlackCatMeoww
    Closed Accounts Posts: 28 ✭BlackCatMeoww


    "If you are young and not liberal, then you have no heart; but if you are old and not conservative, then you have no brain," -- most often attributed to Disraeli or Churchill.


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    #94
    Hande hoche!
    Registered Users Posts: 7,423 ✭✭✭Hande hoche!


    BlackCatMeoww wrote: »
    "If you are young and not liberal, then you have no heart; but if you are old and not conservative, then you have no brain," -- most often attributed to Disraeli or Churchill.

    hooradiation will be happy.


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    #95
    GombeanMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭GombeanMan


    old hippy wrote: »
    Mass sterilisations of the proletariat you say? Hmmm, have you considered eugenics yet?

    No way. Eugenics is sick stuff. Neo Germans tend to love it though. You need a fcuking permit for nearly everything in this country already, why not for children, to ensure they won't grow up with parents in a drug addled mess? If you can't afford kids, why should you have them? It's very unfair to have a child growing up in poverty with parents who can't manage a checkbook, let alone children. The state should not have the responsibility of nursing your kids. Only ensure their safety.


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    #96
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    GombeanMan wrote: »
    No way. Eugenics is sick stuff. Germans tend to love it though. You need a fcuking permit for nearly everything in this country already, why not for children, to ensure they won't grow up with parents in a drug addled mess? If you can't afford kids, why should you have them? It's very unfair to have a child growing up in poverty.

    It's very unfair to people who love their kids and just happen to live in poverty to hear mass generalisations like yours.


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    #97
    GombeanMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭GombeanMan


    old hippy wrote: »
    It's very unfair to people who love their kids and just happen to live in poverty to hear mass generalisations like yours.

    People with genuine reasons aren't the ones I am aiming this towards. Some people aren't capable of minding their children for various reasons. It's the people that serially abuse the system I don't agree with. Disability payments must remain. Everything else should be open to scrutiny.


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    #98
    Logical Fallacy
    Registered Users Posts: 5,933 ✭✭✭Logical Fallacy


    Eric Cartman wrote: »
    The problem with your solution is , its like trying to fix a water leak in your house by calling the council and waiting months for them to shut off the entire towns supply.

    These scum need to be locked up to derer others while we sort out the social issues that cause these problems , funnily enough , those crimes are caused by the council estate welfare culture that the left leaning created .

    A seriously stilted understanding of the development of the welfare culture, as is typical in these threads.

    I suggest that you consider the development of council estates and who drove them, particularly here and in the UK, and why...then try and come back to the thread with an opinion that is based on something tangible and factual rather than your usual "**** i pulled from a hat" methodology.


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    #99
    Biggins
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 34,568 ✭✭✭✭Biggins


    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    ...At what age did you flip to the darkside ?.

    I haven't.
    I'm still fighting the good fight and I hope to go down doing so!
    Com' on world - come and get it! :mad:


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    #100
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    token101 wrote: »
    Probably since I was old enough to be able to make my own decisions. When you have to listen to all this stuff about tolerance for your 'neighbours' when they make **** of your area and rob and assault at will because 'sure it's their way of life', it's a bit irritating. When you have to then listen to them saying that if you don't accept them happily into your community without being weary or cautious, even though the same experience has taught you otherwise countless times, it's because you're a racist, it's hard not to become very irritated. You wonder if these people have ever experienced this type of **** before they actually took it upon themselves to preach to you.

    When you have to listen to people tell you that people are entitled to have as many kids as they like and the state must pay for their every need and want or they'll protest, it's difficult to sit there passively and say nothing when your income tax consistently rises to pay for it. When these same people then turn around and bitch about banks being the problem and how bankers should be strung up, it's just bollocks. Same goes for people who took out mortgages. You owe a debt, pay it back or hand back the house. It's not up to everybody else who acted with frugality to pay for your bad choices and your desire to get on the property ladder, or worse still have more than once house.

    When you watch people who have nothing positive to contribute to society other than criminality; all whilst draining the SW system as they don't seek jobs; and then you have people tell you it's their 'socio economic conditions', when lots of people have excelled despite similar conditions, it's hard to listen.

    Watching people tell you that it's inhumane, or whatever other ****e they come up with, for Joan Burton to ask that people be accountable when claiming Jobseekers Allowance, is galling.

    Watching some people in Ireland proclaim their rights and entitlements under every law they've read in the paper about, yet when their responsibility to society comes around they can find a convenient excuse, is sickening.

    If that makes me a 'right wing nutter', so be it.

    A perfect post,
    And people that say different never lived beside or know of people abusing the system. I was talking to someone who I remember as a young labour guy, a total socialist bordering on communism. He now lives in Artane, not a bad area, I asked how are your politics now. "Just build a high wall and a moat around your property and then hope the cnuts stay away from you" (something like that).


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    #101
    Nothingbetter2d
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,038 ✭✭✭Nothingbetter2d


    we should just develop a nuke and then drop it on ourselves and put us all out of our misery.


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    #102
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    44leto wrote: »
    A perfect post,
    And people that say different never lived beside or know of people abusing the system. I was talking to someone who I remember as a young labour guy, a total socialist bordering on communism. He now lives in Artane, not a bad area, I asked how are your politics now. "Just build a high wall and a moat around your property and then hope the cnuts stay away from you" (something like that).

    All your anecdote proves is that money has the ability to corrupt ones own principles.


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    #103
    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    karma_ wrote: »
    All your anecdote proves is that money has the ability to corrupt ones own principles.

    Or that once the person experienced the situation personally his opinion changed.


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    #104
    44leto
    Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    karma_ wrote: »
    All your anecdote proves is that money has the ability to corrupt ones own principles.

    HUH
    Well he could leave his doors and cars unlocked and remained principled, would you??


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    #105
    karma_
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 6,798 ✭✭✭karma_


    44leto wrote: »
    HUH
    Well he could leave his doors and cars unlocked and remained principled, would you??

    LOL, what does locking your doors and cars have to do with principled socialism?

    Also, who does your old mate think is going to assault his walls in Artane?


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    #106
    blackwhite
    Registered Users Posts: 8,471 ✭✭✭blackwhite


    BraziliaNZ wrote: »
    They don't have other choices!!! Imagine growing up in some kip where no one finished 3rd year in school, everyone is selling drugs and involved in gangs, and general anti-social behaviour, your parents are drunks and junkies and don't give a f**k about you. Do you think you would be the one f**king shining light of society to come out of that environment? If you do you need to get over yourself.


    I can't imagine anything more patronising than this post.

    The logic is basically:
    "You've had a tough start, so no one expects you to make anything of yourself. Take this ticket over to the window and they'll give you your syringe so you can get started on the rest of your life.
    Don't worry about trying to get an education, just worry about getting your next fix.

    Those kids over in the other part of town will pay for everything for you for the rest of your life, because we all know you're not capable of supporting yourself given where you're coming from."


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    #107
    amacachi
    Closed Accounts Posts: 23,316 ✭✭✭✭amacachi


    Teyla Emmagan wrote: »
    Now I believe in bigger prisons

    You want prisoners to have more space? What kind of lefty BS is that!?


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    #108
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    GombeanMan wrote: »
    People with genuine reasons aren't the ones I am aiming this towards. Some people aren't capable of minding their children for various reasons. It's the people that serially abuse the system I don't agree with. Disability payments must remain. Everything else should be open to scrutiny.

    I don't know anyone here who would favour the minority who abuse the system...


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    #109
    Fart
    Registered Users Posts: 1,825 ✭✭✭Fart


    blackwhite wrote: »
    I can't imagine anything more patronising than this post.

    The logic is basically:
    "You've had a tough start, so no one expects you to make anything of yourself. Take this ticket over to the window and they'll give you your syringe so you can get started on the rest of your life.
    Don't worry about trying to get an education, just worry about getting your next fix.

    Those kids over in the other part of town will pay for everything for you for the rest of your life, because we all know you're not capable of supporting yourself given where you're coming from."

    Yup... silver spoon and all that, me thinks.


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    #110
    GombeanMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭GombeanMan


    old hippy wrote: »
    I don't know anyone here who would favour the minority who abuse the system...

    Yet the Government allows this crap to go on unchecked for the most part. It should be like the UK, 50 quid a week and then you are means tested for more if you need it. Social Welfare is far too generous in this country. In the states, you would need to work like a trooper on the minimum wage to survive.

    Here, everything is handed to people who turn down jobs because the dole "pays more". Granted it's a generalisation, but it's very evident in this Socialist Society. I think we should just Privatise Social Welfare. Would cut out most of the Fraud. When it's mostly your own money on the line, you tend to be more aware of stamping out fraud.


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    #111
    Rabidlamb
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 2,202 ✭✭✭Rabidlamb


    I propose a test when you reach 10.
    If mammy & daddy have leeched a combined 5 years off the system then you go on the adoption register, nuture vs nature & all that.
    Better for everyone.
    You'll be compensated in Dutch Gold or Major, choice is yours.


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    #112
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    GombeanMan wrote: »
    Yet the Government allows this crap to go on unchecked for the most part. It should be like the UK, 50 quid a week and then you are means tested for more if you need it. Social Welfare is far too generous in this country. In the states, you would need to work like a trooper on the minimum wage to survive.

    Here, everything is handed to people who turn down jobs because the dole "pays more". Granted it's a generalisation, but it's very evident in this Socialist Society. I think we should just Privatise Social Welfare. Would cut out most of the Fraud. When it's mostly your own money on the line, you tend to be more aware of stamping out fraud.

    Who turns down jobs, exactly? My brother in law would give his right nut for a job... as for privatisation - are you serious? You'd have people living in Dickensian squalor and tenements if that happened.

    In the States my cousin, a single mother works 6 days a week for a crap wage. The US system is punitive but there are people who have no choice but to claim it.


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    #113
    Teyla Emmagan
    Registered Users Posts: 5,641 ✭✭✭Teyla Emmagan


    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    I propose a test when you reach 10.
    If mammy & daddy have leeched a combined 5 years off the system then you go on the adoption register, nuture vs nature & all that.
    Better for everyone.
    You'll be compensated in Dutch Gold or Major, choice is yours.

    10 is too late, the kid is probably beyond hope at that stage. You need to catch them by 3 or 4 to make a difference apparently (for kids in the seriously socially disadvantaged criminal catchment pool, not for our new breed of post celtic tiger recession kids whose parents would not 'normally' be on the dole).


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    #114
    old hippy
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 9,441 ✭✭✭old hippy


    Rabidlamb wrote: »
    I propose a test when you reach 10.
    If mammy & daddy have leeched a combined 5 years off the system then you go on the adoption register, nuture vs nature & all that.
    Better for everyone.
    You'll be compensated in Dutch Gold or Major, choice is yours.

    And if Daddy becomes a turncoat and starts spouting off like an Ayn Rand acolyte, have him put down. It would be merciful, in the long run. :D


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    #115
    Chuck Stone
    Closed Accounts Posts: 13,030 ✭✭✭✭Chuck Stone


    I'm just anti-privilege and pro personal freedom.

    The people who are into using the state to control the behaviour of individuals or protect them from the free market are from both the left and right.

    Right wing conservatives are the scum of the earth imho.


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    #116
    GombeanMan
    Closed Accounts Posts: 156 ✭✭GombeanMan


    old hippy wrote: »
    My brother in law would give his right nut for a job... as for privatisation - are you serious? You'd have people living in Dickensian squalor and tenements if that happened. .

    I can understand your brother in law is pissed. I would be too. If most of the social welfare fund was spent to invest in jobs, we could lower the unemployment rate to a reasonable level, instead of making people dependant on the Government for handouts.

    Also, remove most power from these overpaid, entitled Labour Unions and remove the minimum wage entirely. Only then would a real incentive to work be fostered. I still think disability payments should be payed out though. Everybody else can shave the bum fluff and get a job. The hippies must be put to work at a wage rate.


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    #117
    Borboletinha
    Registered Users Posts: 180 ✭✭Borboletinha


    I was left wing in my home country where there is real poverty and a lot of people are starving.

    Now in ireland im 100% right wing. The social welfare is way too generous and people still complain. Instead of feeling thankful the government provides for you and your children when you cannot, people feel entitled to all they get and still want more!! I believe nobody should starve or live on the streets but thats about it. The government its not your parent or your childrens parent therefore its not responsible for all your needs.


    For the record i've always worked never took a cent from social welfare and if me and my husband are ever unemployed we'll go back home or somewhere else where we can get a job. Thats whats normal to me, working. If not here, somewhere. Its impossible that there are no jobs at all in the world! That to me is a big excuse not to work.


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    #118
    BraziliaNZ
    Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,671 ✭✭✭BraziliaNZ


    blackwhite wrote: »
    Those kids over in the other part of town will pay for everything for you for the rest of your life, because we all know you're not capable of supporting yourself given where you're coming from.

    Yeah but they don't, do they? That's why they're not educated, guided, working etc.

    Anyway, I give up, the world is f**ked because people never agree on things like this, I'm a nihilist at heart, bring on the armageddon, we are too greedy a species.


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    token101
    Registered Users Posts: 3,050 ✭✭✭token101


    Chuck Stone wrote: »
    I'm just anti-privilege and pro personal freedom.

    The people who are into using the state to control the behaviour of individuals or protect them from the free market are from both the left and right.

    Right wing conservatives are the scum of the earth imho.

    Yeah but unless you are utterly leftist and devoted to the cause of 'social justice' then you're classified as right wing conservative regardless. No such thing as common sense anymore, just left and right.


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    RichieC
    Closed Accounts Posts: 7,334 ✭✭✭RichieC


    token101 wrote: »
    Yeah but unless you are utterly leftist and devoted to the cause of 'social justice' then you're classified as right wing conservative regardless. No such thing as common sense anymore, just left and right.

    You're correct. It's a great way to divide a population. It's entirely the medias fault that in this day and age actual dialogue and compromise has been replaced by moral outrage and right/left bickering.

    Look at the US. it will get that bad here too because it is an incredibly good way to control populations. with a 50/50 divide on the left and right, no matter what you as a government proposes, the media will dutifully spin it either left or right guaranteeing you the lions share of support from either side of the divide.


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    #121
    bullpost
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    Reminds me of the Tommy Saxondale episode where right-on Tommy defends the squatters who've moved into his estate - until he has met them - excerpt on here:
    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=imVngLpqEHU

    token101 wrote: »
    Or that once the person experienced the situation personally his opinion changed.


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