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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Mr Slow wrote: »
    It was quite warm today, it would have affected your heart rate a touch.

    Yeah, it might be warm in Berlin too.
    I am not worried about the number, I am happy that it was lower than the last time as this means the pace is getting more comfortable... from past experience a good rest/taper and this number always comes down on Marathon day. For Dublin last year 8 min/mile had me around 160 in training but I ran it with an average of low 150's on the day.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    Good running, cheating a little there at the end ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Good running, cheating a little there at the end ;)

    :) Mile 9 was nicely downhill but 10 was pretty flat.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭Oisin11178


    10 was flat, id hate to see your your spirit level. Was it a sky dive at the end?:D


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Oisin11178 wrote: »
    10 was flat, id hate to see your your spirit level. Was it a sky dive at the end?:D

    In my head it was flat.
    Just looked at the elevattion thing in the splits now :o. Always though the path along the chapelizod Rd was flat. Now I see why I was so comfy at the end. Anyways, still happy with the session, even up to mile 8 I was feeling much better than the last time. Brian get your money ready for Berlin boy!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    4.8 miles @9'08 pace
    Around the local roads up home. Made a bit of a balls of the route as I ended up going 1 mile straight up a dual carriageway and there wasn't a hard shoulder :eek:. Also wore my new Brooks, green silence Racers. They feel very nice I have to say, though maybe half a size too big...

    Heading up to Belfast tomorrow to help Oisin1178 and Aimman out in the 24 hour race. Keep an eye out on BBC1NI tomorrow evening, I have a funny feeling that newsline might have some live coverage of the start at 6.45pm (I remember them doing so last year).

    Hopefully I'll be able to clock up a good few miles on the track between friday and saturday- there won't be much else to do!

    WTD 4 Runs 44.8 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|22/30|150.2
    May|25/31|198.5
    June|24/30|173.2
    July|19/21|187.6
    Total|165/202|1451.1


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,156 ✭✭✭jcsmum


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Made a bit of a balls of the route as I ended up going 1 mile straight up a dual carriageway and there wasn't a hard shoulder :eek:.

    [

    A bit of a daredevil are we??? That's nearly as dangerous as starting in the wrong wave of a race! ;)


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    I've been up at the 24 hr Race in Belfast since early friday to help out. So Haven't been able to update this:
    Friday 22nd July
    7.1 miles @ 8'50 pace (137). Got out for a quick hours run just as the boys got started on their 24 hours of runnin around a track. The officials had said that no supporters were allowed on the track so I headed out on the roads and went down as far as my old Universtiy and back.

    I spent the rest of the evening/night, running around helping the runners on the track I was Officially supposed to be helping Oisin11178, but he wasn't stopping and never needed anything so I helped others instead.At 2am I got roped into lap counting (basically marking off runners laps as they crossed the start/finish line) for a few hpurs. Eventually got to bed at 5am for 2 hours sleep.

    Saturday 23rd July Got up early and looked for a mcdonalds. Oisin11178 had requested a big mac meal for breakfast!!. After half an hour eventually got a drive thru but they weren't serving bigmacs till 10.30am :mad: Oisin had to settle for a bacon sandwhich meal instead. I spent the day helpign out whatever way I could. Ran lots of laps with several different runners (officials had slackened their stance from yesterday) and hat chats with everyone. I spent most of the day near the computer logging the chips as the runners crossed the line so I ended up running about providing info to all the runners on their progress. The sun was very strong all day and I got completely burnt. After Oisin crossed the 100 miles he basically stopped so I ended up coaxing a few of the other runners over the last few hours as they reached their goal. Specifically Paddy quinn and Graeme Culhoune. Graeme was waning all day but I noticed he had 31 laps (about 12k) to do with 1.5 hour remaining. I set him a goal for every lap and met him with 100m to go each time with an update. that kept him going without stops and eventually he was the last person to 100 miles (17 in total made it) with 15 minutes to spare!!

    I'd say i covered about 20-25 miles total for the day, but for the purposes of this log, I'll only count the laps I ran with the runners and give myself a conservative 6 miles for the day.

    Left Belfast just after 7pm and headed back to Dublin. i found myself nearly sleeping at the wheel so i had to stop several times and eventually made it home for 10pm. I had myself my first decent meal in 2 days and got to bed at midnight ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ

    Sunday 24th July
    I was going to do the Parkwest 10k today. Given how tired I was last night I decided not to set an alarm and go to the race if I awoke on time. (the race started at 11am and starts 100m from my appartment). I woke up at 12.15, so no race :D. Glad I didn't now as I went out this afternoon for 10 miles and I have to say it was the worst run I have had in years. No energy, no pace, everything was a slog. I couldn't even break a 9 minute mile, so I had no chance of a 10k PB today. Glad I didn't run it as I would have either had a poor time and got down on myself or else injured myself.

    10.1 miles @ 9'09 pace (HR 142)

    Weekly total 7 days Running 68 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|22/30|150.2
    May|25/31|198.5
    June|24/30|173.2
    July|22/24|210.8
    Total|168/205|1474.3

    Thats now 17 days in a row of running :cool:


  • Registered Users Posts: 570 ✭✭✭slowsteady


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Sunday 24th July
    10 miles and I have to say it was the worst run I have had in years. No energy, no pace, everything was a slog. I couldn't even break a 9 minute mile,
    10.1 miles @ 9'09 pace (HR 142)

    Must have been something in the air today. My worst ever run, 15 miles @9:09 and couldn't have run faster if my life depended on it.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,742 ✭✭✭ultraman1


    thanks for all your help and suppoert yesteray and day before...


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,742 ✭✭✭ultraman1


    thanks for all your help and suppoert yesteray and day before...


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Met up with Mr slow this morning to get my midweeks, medium long run out of the way. Felt very sluggish again to start but picked up a bit. Overall much better than yesterday but it is still feeling a bit too much like hard work.

    14 miles @8'30 pace (144).


    WTD 1 Run 14 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|22/30|150.2
    May|25/31|198.5
    June|24/30|173.2
    July|23/25|224.8
    Total|169/206|1488.3


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    5.6 miles @8'57 pace around Corkagh park. Legs feel much better now, thought he HR is a touch high for this pace (140). Thinking I'll do the Aviva Mile race tomorrow evening.


    WTD 2 Run 19.6 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|22/30|150.2
    May|25/31|198.5
    June|24/30|173.2
    July|24/26|230.4
    Total|170/207|1493.9


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    AM
    4.5 miles handy to get the legs moving. The HR (147) seems too high for the pace (8'26). It was very warm though

    PM
    1 mile warm up, a few strides on the track and into the race. I put myself into the open sub 6 category along with Raycun. Wore my new Brooks Green silence racers for the first time, did not want to get caught with having to wear the lunarglides like the last time. The Legs felt much better than the tallaght mile race (5'56) immediately. The shoes felt much lighter. A lot of jostling in the first lap but I soon found a place mid pack (about 7th out of 16 starters) and settled into a nice rythm. Pretty uneventful after that, I had to pass a runner at the start of the second lap because I was following him and I realised he was going too slow. The next group in front were always a little out of reach. I held my position until the final lap when I looked back and saw a guy in black about 20m back, I though it was Raycun!! I planned to keep a little for a sprint finish. 200 to go and I looked back again- he was closing! Coming around the final bend and he just passed me and I realised it wasn't Ray at all so I let him go, I was mentally already happy enough with the performance.

    Result 1 miles in 5'43 laps: 81, 85, 88, 85. Felt much better tan the last mile race and almost 15 seconds faster. I think I have a sub 5'40 there if I was pushed and it was a goal race.

    0.5 mile cool down after the race make 7 miles for the day

    WTD 3 days running Run 26.6 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|22/30|150.2
    May|25/31|198.5
    June|24/30|173.2
    July|25/27|237.4
    Total|171/208|1500.9


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,364 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    Still can't believe yee lost to yer man in the Aston Villa shirt and GAA shorts...


  • Moderators, Regional Abroad Moderators Posts: 26,928 Mod ✭✭✭✭rainbow kirby


    Still can't believe yee lost to yer man in the Aston Villa shirt and GAA shorts...

    Would have been funnier if he'd been beaten by someone in a Dublin GAA jersey. :pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    8 miles @ 8'24 pace (143)
    Body feeling pretty dead today so i was glad to do this run and leave the LT run until tomorrow. Not sure if it was yesterdays race or the chips and wine I had last night (or a combo of both) but I felt better once I hit the road, though the legs were pretty heavy throughout.

    WTD 4 days running- 34.6 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|22/30|150.2
    May|25/31|198.5
    June|24/30|173.2
    July|26/28|245.4
    Total|171/208|1508.9


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    I always dread these runs and this was no different.

    I did this around Tymon Park and the plan was to do the tempo miles in and around 6'50 pace. After a 2 mile warm up (8'50 pace) I launched into the tempo miles. The first little part was downhill, still i felt I was going too slow so I had a glance of the watch and say 6'10 pace :eek: Slowed down a bit but the first mile was still too fast. I though I'd pay for it, but never did. I felt very comfortable throughout, even on the uphill sections where I would normally be seeing 7'1x I was seeing 6'5x.
    In the end I did the 4 miles Tempo in 26'48 (6'42 pace) Splits were: 6'37 (156hr), 6'49 (170), 6'38'(170), 6'44 (172).
    1.1 mile cool down at 8'10ish pace (felt more like 10 minute mile pace).

    Total for the day:
    7.1 miles. I definitely feel like I'm getting places after this run.

    WTD 5 days running- 41.7 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|22/30|150.2
    May|25/31|198.5
    June|24/30|173.2
    July|27/29|252.5
    Total|172/209|1516


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,759 ✭✭✭belcarra


    Fair play to you Menoscemo...looks like a really valuable session!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Met up with about 10 in the park this morning for the group LSR.
    Pace was nice and handy which was good after yesterdays run. Legs were getting pretty tired at the end.

    16.9 miles @ 9'30 pace. I am planning a rest day tomorrow which will bring a 24 day running streak to an end. It will also bring July to an end, which has been my biggest mileage month ever. Hopefully auagust will bring more of the same :D

    Weekly total 6 days running- 58.6 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|22/30|150.2
    May|25/31|198.5
    June|24/30|173.2
    July|28/30|269.4
    Total|173/210|1532.9


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Today's plan was initially a 13mile PMP run but the tempo run on friday got me cocky. I decided I would have a bash at a sub 1'30 HM. Having organised the pacer I got a freeebie entry and decided to follow the 1'30 pacers. I knew beforehand that the course was hilly for the first 5 miles but I didn't really realise the extent. I went out with the pacers for the first 3 miles and felt Ok. I decided to take a gel at the 3 mile watersation and it went down well enough. We hit the hills at 4 miles and for the first bit I was ok. I said that if I can hang on to 5 miles I'll pick it back on the way down. At 4.5 miles the hill got really steep and I dropped 10-15m back from the pacers. I said I would hang on but at 5 miles we turned and went straight into a really big hill. I tried to dig in here and stay within 15m of the pacers but immediately I could feel the gel coming up. I resisted a while but there was no choice, as I reached the top of the hill I had to stop to puke (and it was a major puke). I thought to myself that I was only 30 seconds or so behind the 1,30 pacers so I tried to catch up on the downhill, but I immediately puked up again, this time My whole breakfast came up.

    BY this time I realised 1'30 was gone, the pacers were over a minute ahead so I gave up and just jogged home. If I had been near the finish I would have dnf'ed but give I had no choice, I jogged home. Despite taking it easy, the pace was pretty much 7'30/mile. I am thinking maybe 3'15 will be a better target in Berlin.

    I am pretty shocked to realise that my av hr was only 163 for the race.Normally My HR for a half is 166-168. That is what I was over the first 5 miles, and I never reached higher than 172 on the big hills, even when I puked. maybe I have a stomach reflux problem? Taking a gel a mile 3 was definitely stupid.

    Anyways: here is todays run. check out the hill at mile 5 :eek:

    WTD 1 run 14 miles

    Month|No. of days Runnning|Miles
    January|28/31|256.3
    February|24/28|236.9
    March|23/31|221.9
    April|22/30|150.2
    May|25/31|198.5
    June|24/30|173.2
    July|28/31|269.4
    August|1/1|14
    Total|174/214|1546.9


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,546 ✭✭✭chinguetti


    Disaster would be a bit strong Meno and you're been a bit hard on yourself. You could have turned around and run downhill to the finish but you didn't.

    It was a cruel and savage hill that we were told was a drag that ended at 5 miles according to the course profile. For those who think we're making this up, we were told at 5 miles we would turn left and go downhill but we went left and up a really steep, savage hill that took everyone by surprise.

    I don't think the gel was the issue but i think you might be onto something with the reflux idea. I wouldn't give on Berlin yet, it may have been just one of those days that we all have.


  • Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 20,364 Mod ✭✭✭✭RacoonQueen


    1:30 is be a breeze for you. No reason to change the goal for Berlin IMO.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,049 ✭✭✭Brianderunner


    Have to agree with Ching and RQ here. Your in the middle of quite a heavy training load at the minute. Would you normally do a tempo and an LSR a couple of days before a goal race? No of course not. So it wasnt a goal race, don't beat yourself up over it and let it knock your confidence. I predict you'll bounce back with a sub 67 min run in the Frank Duffy and sub 3:10 will be back on.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,852 ✭✭✭pgmcpq


    1:30 is be a breeze for you. No reason to change the goal for Berlin IMO.

    +1. One bad run does not mean much. No need to be revising goals downwards based on this.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    1:30 is be a breeze for you. No reason to change the goal for Berlin IMO.

    I wish, I think 3'10 was always optimistic. I'll still give the 10 miler a lash and see what happens. I'm eating nothing then, Hopefully I can still have a fry before Berlin.:pac:


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Thank lads, but I think 7'15 pace is a bit unrealistic. I ran 7'25 ish pace for the last 8 miles today and the av hr is around mid 150's. 7'10-15 pace was giving me 160+ and that is not sustainable over a marathon.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,554 ✭✭✭Mr Slow


    menoscemo wrote: »
    Thank lads, but I think 7'15 pace is a bit unrealistic. I ran 7'25 ish pace for the last 8 miles today and the av hr is around mid 150's. 7'10-15 pace was giving me 160+ and that is not sustainable over a marathon.

    As Brian says, an LT session and an LSR within days of a race would have still been in the legs.



  • Closed Accounts Posts: 13,915 ✭✭✭✭menoscemo


    Mr Slow wrote: »
    As Brian says, an LT session and an LSR within days of a race would have still been in the legs.


    You're right mate, I'm inspired now. There's always tomorrow:D


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  • Registered Users Posts: 2,496 ✭✭✭Oisin11178


    Runs feeling sorry for yourself. Your bang on target for 3.10.


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