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The Sunday Game Thread

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  • #122
    themink
    Registered Users Posts: 44 ✭themink


    Very impressed with Ciaran Whelan's punditry lately. Very fair in his analysis and usually right on the money with the points he makes. Even Joe Brolly was good on tonight's show I thought. The night time highlights show seems to suit him more than the live show where he is stuck beside Spillane & O'Rourke and usually ends up getting into his pontificator mode


  • #123
    Say Your Number
    Moderators, Entertainment Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 10,762 Mod ✭✭✭✭Say Your Number


    Donal Og "they turned wine into water" :pac:

    He's not holding back in his criticism of that centre of excellence


  • #124
    Spudmonkey
    Registered Users Posts: 2,857 ✭✭✭Spudmonkey


    Get off your soapbox Donal!


  • #125
    Boom__Boom
    Registered Users Posts: 3,101 ✭✭✭Boom__Boom


    Say Your Number wrote: »
    Donal Og "they turned wine into water" :pac:

    In fairness he is spot on with the state of the Cork County board and PUC

    Did like his line about propaganda being put out in the Echo on a Monday, especially given the link between the Echo and Examiner in Cork with Donal Og writing for d'Examiner.


  • #126
    ProudDUB
    Registered Users Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    He was bang on the money though. The underage structures and coaching set ups in Cork are an absolute shambles. Yet the powers that be think it is ok to waste spend 70 million smackers on a stadium that will be full maybe 2-3 times a year? It's utter madness. My head think its great, as my own county can't but benefit from it. But my heart really feels for all the hard core GAA fans down there, that are getting shafted.


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  • #127
    Moneymaker
    Registered Users Posts: 9,846 ✭✭✭Moneymaker


    Who got motm lads?


  • #128
    Ignorant etc.
    Registered Users Posts: 227 ✭✭Ignorant etc.


    In fairness Donal Og Cusack is a woeful bollix altogether, he has Brollyitis I think.


  • #129
    Dirty Dingus McGee
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    RTE/Des are after making a big deal about Brian Cody being booed.:rolleyes:


  • #130
    SM746
    Closed Accounts Posts: 414 ✭✭SM746


    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    RTE/Des are after making a big deal about Brian Cody being booed.:rolleyes:

    Seen that. Slow news day!


  • #131
    Ignorant etc.
    Registered Users Posts: 227 ✭✭Ignorant etc.


    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    RTE/Des are after making a big deal about Brian Cody being booed.:rolleyes:

    I'd say Cody gives far less of a pooh about it than Des does.


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  • #132
    dirtyden
    Registered Users Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭dirtyden


    Dirty Dingus McGee wrote: »
    RTE/Des are after making a big deal about Brian Cody being booed.:rolleyes:

    That was ridiculous. It was obviously a bit of craic which is exactly how Cody took it. Cahill trying to make out it was disrespectful, when it was obviously a joke.


  • #133
    dirtyden
    Registered Users Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭dirtyden


    Boom__Boom wrote: »
    In fairness he is spot on with the state of the Cork County board and PUC

    Did like his line about propaganda being put out in the Echo on a Monday, especially given the link between the Echo and Examiner in Cork with Donal Og writing for d'Examiner.

    He has a point in some of what he said but he also has an axe to grind which makes it hard to take what he is saying at face value. His analysis of the games themselves is excellent. Seamus Hickey was a good addition tonight too.


  • #134
    Ignorant etc.
    Registered Users Posts: 227 ✭✭Ignorant etc.


    dirtyden wrote: »
    That was ridiculous. It was obviously a bit of craic which is exactly how Cody took it. Cahill trying to make out it was disrespectful, when it was obviously a joke.

    It was also, in an odd way, an honour and in a way a display of respect. There are very few bad sportsmen that get booed by opposition fans.


  • #135
    ProudDUB
    Registered Users Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    dirtyden wrote: »
    He has a point in some of what he said but he also has an axe to grind which makes it hard to take what he is saying at face value. His analysis of the games themselves is excellent. Seamus Hickey was a good addition tonight too.

    I am well aware of what sides Chairman Frank and Donal Og were on during the strikes. But I think that he did a good job of deflecting attention away from the personal aspect of it, by bringing up the stats of Corks lack of underage success. You can't really argue with those, no matter what side of StrikeGate you were on.

    Re Cody and the booing. I was in Croke Park today. Just before they showed Cody on the big screen, stewards and Guards removed Cork fans from the Hill, as they were setting off flares/smoke bombs. The crowd booed that. Then they showed Cody on the screen, so I don't think that all of the boos were for him. Just as many people laughed when they saw Cody on the screen (especially when they saw the big grin on his face) as they booed. You just couldn't hear/see that on the telly.


  • #136
    dirtyden
    Registered Users Posts: 1,730 ✭✭✭dirtyden


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    I am well aware of what sides Chairman Frank and Donal Og were on during the strikes. But I think that he did a good job of deflecting attention away from the personal aspect of it, by bringing up the stats of Corks lack of underage success. You can't really argue with those, no matter what side of StrikeGate you were on.

    Re Cody and the booing. I was in Croke Park today. Just before they showed Cody on the big screen, stewards and Guards removed Cork fans from the Hill, as they were setting off flares/smoke bombs. The crowd booed that. Then they showed Cody on the screen, so I don't think that all of the boos were for him. Just as many people laughed when they saw Cody on the screen (especially when they saw the big grin on his face) as they booed. You just couldn't hear/see that on the telly.

    I think the fact that he called it a monument, was not too subtle a dig at someone in particular. A lot of what he said was reasonable and sensible but he is far from impartial. PUC badly needed a revamp, and I don't know what the plans for the centre of excellence are but they are hardly as basic as he is making out.


  • #137
    Ignorant etc.
    Registered Users Posts: 227 ✭✭Ignorant etc.


    Nothing wrong with flares in stadia as long as people aren't throwing them. Creates a bit of atmosphere is all.


  • #138
    ProudDUB
    Registered Users Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    dirtyden wrote: »
    I think the fact that he called it a monument, was not too subtle a dig at someone in particular. A lot of what he said was reasonable and sensible but he is far from impartial. PUC badly needed a revamp, and I don't know what the plans for the centre of excellence are but they are hardly as basic as he is making out.

    Isn't there limited space down the Pairc, because of its proximity to the marina and private houses? Once the new stadium goes up, there will be only a small patch of land to be dedicated to a Centre of Excellence. Two pitches is not a lot, if you want to base the ongoing training of the seniors, the minors & the U21's there, especially when there are two different codes, as well as the ladies to consider.


  • #139
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    The hurling analysts are top class.

    Cusack was right, his analysis is top notch, but he could also have added in it's costing the taxpayer €30m. What a waste of money.


  • #140
    Fireball07
    Registered Users Posts: 13,264 ✭✭✭✭Fireball07


    ProudDUB wrote: »
    Isn't there limited space down the Pairc, because of its proximity to the marina and private houses? Once the new stadium goes up, there will be only a small patch of land to be dedicated to a Centre of Excellence. Two pitches is not a lot, if you want to base the ongoing training of the seniors, the minors & the U21's there, especially when there are two different codes, as well as the ladies to consider.

    Out of interest, I thought CIT had excellent facilities out there? Do the Cork teams use those at all?

    I don't know much about it all tbh, but I know that Limerick's underage teams all train out in UL most of the time. There's no specific "centre of excellence" as far as I am aware, but there is a lot of money being put into coaching... there are some excellent coaches involved, they have development officers going around to the schools, to the clubs, they invite the best player to big academy training sessions at U-14/U-15 level.

    I don't know how much the County Board pay to use UL facilities, but they do some training out in places like Rathkeale too and it seems to be working. But I imagine it's down to personnel rather than the pitches.


    In fairness, a centralised centre of excellence does sound great in theory... it would make things a lot handier, I imagine the treatment of players, etc. would raise another notch. But do any county actually have one? Maybe one day it will be the norm, and teams will be falling behind if they don't have one, but I don't know if anyone does have anything along those lines- I imagine they just use whatever they can.


    I could be wrong.


  • #141
    Grats
    Registered Users Posts: 2,684 ✭✭✭Grats


    Boom__Boom wrote: »
    In fairness he is spot on with the state of the Cork County board and PUC

    Did like his line about propaganda being put out in the Echo on a Monday, especially given the link between the Echo and Examiner in Cork with Donal Og writing for d'Examiner.

    He's spot on! I'm not from Cork and I knew as far back as 2005 that Cork hurling was in big trouble then. The problem was that they were so busy fighting and striking that they neglected the basic structures. There was too much emphasis on what the players were entitled to and not enough on how the underage was lagging behind other hurling counties. They've been playing catch up since and now Professor Cusack highjacks the Sunday Game to tell the rest of the country what we already knew!

    RTE allow this man way too much airtime to air his own grievances and agendas. Just a few weeks ago he used the Dublin collapse against Tipp as an excuse to have a go at the dual player issue, again mainly a Cork problem. Mention of which, Aidan Walsh being a dual player wasn't the reason Cork lost today, yet he had to bring it up again. There are more than a dozen of that Cork team who play hurling only and they played below par today also.


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  • #142
    nice_guy80
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,723 ✭✭✭nice_guy80


    If I were from Cork I'd be asking my TDs why €30 million tax payers money is being put towards PUC?
    When local sports clubs cannot get grants for €30k to build dressing rooms


  • #143
    rebel girl 15
    Registered Users, Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    They do use CIT for training of underage squads, but also the Mardyke and the Farm (UCC) - pretty costly though when you add up all the different squads using the pitches.


  • #144
    rebel girl 15
    Registered Users, Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    Fireball07 wrote: »
    Out of interest, I thought CIT had excellent facilities out there? Do the Cork teams use those at all?

    I don't know much about it all tbh, but I know that Limerick's underage teams all train out in UL most of the time. There's no specific "centre of excellence" as far as I am aware, but there is a lot of money being put into coaching... there are some excellent coaches involved, they have development officers going around to the schools, to the clubs, they invite the best player to big academy training sessions at U-14/U-15 level.

    I don't know how much the County Board pay to use UL facilities, but they do some training out in places like Rathkeale too and it seems to be working. But I imagine it's down to personnel rather than the pitches.


    In fairness, a centralised centre of excellence does sound great in theory... it would make things a lot handier, I imagine the treatment of players, etc. would raise another notch. But do any county actually have one? Maybe one day it will be the norm, and teams will be falling behind if they don't have one, but I don't know if anyone does have anything along those lines- I imagine they just use whatever they can.


    I could be wrong.

    Cork need to find the right people to coach before they go and create these centres of excellence! Don't see any proper coach education programme in place in Cork, a handful of CDA's and a lot of mistreatment of other lads paid to coach and go into schools, where they are told off you go with little or no guidance, which is very poor.

    Kerry are creating one afaik, and sure neighbours can't fall behind :rolleyes: would be better investing the money into proper coaching structures


  • #145
    ProudDUB
    Registered Users Posts: 11,569 ✭✭✭✭ProudDUB


    Fireball07 wrote: »
    Out of interest, I thought CIT had excellent facilities out there? Do the Cork teams use those at all?

    I don't know much about it all tbh, but I know that Limerick's underage teams all train out in UL most of the time. There's no specific "centre of excellence" as far as I am aware, but there is a lot of money being put into coaching... there are some excellent coaches involved, they have development officers going around to the schools, to the clubs, they invite the best player to big academy training sessions at U-14/U-15 level.

    I don't know how much the County Board pay to use UL facilities, but they do some training out in places like Rathkeale too and it seems to be working. But I imagine it's down to personnel rather than the pitches.


    In fairness, a centralised centre of excellence does sound great in theory... it would make things a lot handier, I imagine the treatment of players, etc. would raise another notch. But do any county actually have one? Maybe one day it will be the norm, and teams will be falling behind if they don't have one, but I don't know if anyone does have anything along those lines- I imagine they just use whatever they can.


    I could be wrong.

    I think some of the wiser heads in Cork are also wondering why Corks existing third level sporting structures & facilities are not being used more to aid the Cork GAA teams development and training. Call it the $64,000 question if you will. The Dubs and Leinster Rugby currently use DCU & UCD. Limerick and Munster use UL. It's hardly rocket science. :rolleyes:

    Tyrone have a bad ass COE in Garvaghy. It cost 7 million smackers. Two thirds of that came from grants from Her Maj & the GAA. The rest was raised within the county. It is supposed to be a mega state of the art facility, with a multitude of pitches and every conceivable bell and whistle. But I heard that players hate training there. Kildare have Hawkfield, which pretty much bankrupted the county. So I guess the moral of the story is - be careful what you wish for.


  • #146
    Mountainlad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭Mountainlad


    I know this is a Sunday game thread an not a Cork underage crisis thread, but what exactly was the point in Mallow if that is not the center of excellence?


  • #147
    rebel girl 15
    Registered Users, Moderators, Education Moderators, Sports Moderators, Regional South Moderators Posts: 15,247 Mod ✭✭✭✭rebel girl 15


    Mountainlad wrote: »
    I know this is a Sunday game thread an not a Cork underage crisis thread, but what exactly was the point in Mallow if that is not the center of excellence?

    Mallow club had two pitches, one up the north side of town in Carookeel, which was bought by a developer, who then built the complex as part of the deal. Now it was badly needed, as both pitches and facilities needed major updating. Castlelands, the developers company built it on very beneficial terms for the local club


  • #148
    Mountainlad
    Closed Accounts Posts: 5,851 ✭✭✭Mountainlad


    rebel girl 15 wrote: »
    Mallow club had two pitches, one up the north side of town in Carookeel, which was bought by a developer, who then built the complex as part of the deal. Now it was badly needed, as both pitches and facilities needed major updating. Castlelands, the developers company built it on very beneficial terms for the local club

    How many pitches have they there? So it was private investment and never considered for Cork development teams?


  • #149
    Rightwing
    Closed Accounts Posts: 8,101 ✭✭✭Rightwing


    It's a fantastic centre in Mallow. Would be a disgrace if it's not getting use.


  • #150
    MisterAnarchy
    Registered Users Posts: 14,521 ✭✭✭✭MisterAnarchy


    Rightwing wrote: »
    It's a fantastic centre in Mallow. Would be a disgrace if it's not getting use.

    Its a great centre but woefully managed and losing alot of money over the last few years since Croke Park banned all "foreign" sports from officially using the club.

    http://www.independent.ie/regionals/corkman/news/foreign-games-ruled-out-of-mallow-gaa-complex-27087808.html


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  • #151
    lukin
    Registered Users Posts: 3,962 ✭✭✭lukin


    Rightwing wrote: »
    The hurling analysts are top class.

    Cusack was right, his analysis is top notch, but he could also have added in it's costing the taxpayer €30m. What a waste of money.

    I don't actually agree that it is a waste of money. Pairc Ui Chaoimh badly needed a re-vamp, it is an absolute kip. I hate going there.


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