[gene_tunney]

Originally Posted by walshb

I wouldn't predict that. Vitali fights within himself, and should he need to bring out the beast, I am sure he can. Haye wants a bit of a tear up? He will get one, and he will come off second best. Should Haye try to out box Vitali he will als come off second best.

Vitali will be 41 in 4 days. I just think he doesn't have Wlad's footspeed or reflexes or jab to outbox Haye anymore, nor does he have the power to KO Haye. I envisage a Haye UD if it happens, but nothing is confirmed yet so we can have this discussion if it happens

[walshb]

I quite enjoyed that fight and I thought Haye looked quite good. He came to fight, and did fight. And, he threw more shots than I expected. Chisora's chin we overrate I feel. Thew first shot was flush, and made even more flush by the fact that Haye was moving with it as Chisora was moving onto it. Haye swiveled from one side to the other creating a heavy impact. Enjoyable and active fight. An some show the promotes put on. Real big time feel to the event.

[Syferus]

Chisora's 'jab' is a sort of hammer fist he puts out then snaps his forearm downwards, he has very little boxing craft. Chisora kept barrelling forward but he had no answers for Haye's defence, rocking Haye maybe once all fight. Haye boxed too much on the back foot but besides that he did everything that was asked of him. Certainly would rate his chances against Vitali.

[cowzerp]

Haye will just box the same way he did against Wlad and Valuev and just run away for the fight throwing hope for the best pot shots.

[nacho libre]

The fight went as I expected. I think some people are reading too much into a win against a spirited but limited enough fighter. Vitali, even at 41, will simply be too good for Haye.

[Big Ears]

Originally Posted by cowzerp

Haye will just box the same way he did against Wlad and Valuev and just run away for the fight throwing hope for the best pot shots.

That doesn't really make sense. Against Wlad, Haye did spend the majority of the fight on the back fight, but he tried to close the distance to get in range plenty of times. Almost every time Wlad used his phenomenal footspeed (I don't think we've ever had a man close to his size with even 90% of the footspeed he has) and footwork, to get himself out of range and have Haye reset himself and go on the back foot again.

Vitali doesn't have anywhere close to the same footspeed or footwork that Wlad has, he can push guys back and control them going forward using his jab the very same way Wlad can, but if Haye was to try to close the distance like he did against Wlad he'd be successful. So I don't believe the same fight as the one that occured against Wlad is possible. I mean Haye could be more negative and not attempt to close the distance, which would give us a similarly tedious bout, but to simply dismiss what Wladamir did in his fight against Haye is unfair on what was a brilliant display from him.

[gene_tunney]

Haye would do far better against Vitali.

Vitali is far slower. Haye almost closed the gap on Wlad several times and grazed him several times. He would connect easily against the much slower Vitali. Additionally, Vitali doesn't hit as hard so Haye has more incentive to attack, and won't be as visibly terrified as he was against Wlad. The same fight isn't possible.

So if Haye moves around he will have a lot more freedom and more chances to connect. Vitali has a solid chin, but no chin is unbreakable (this is where walshb tells me Toney's is unbreakable ), especially at the age of 41. I personally think Haye would UD him. Vitali doesn't have the legs and power to chase Haye and control him.

[nacho libre]

Haye may find it easier to get to Vitali, but i'd still expect him to lose. I'd actually be genuinely shocked if Haye managed to knock out Vitali. It's just too bad we are unlikely to see this boxing match happened.

[walshb]

I agree with gene and Big Ear's analysis of the styles of the brothers' and how that will affect how Haye boxes and competes against both. I have said it many times that Wlad is a far more polished and fluid and balanced boxer.

Vital has two things in more abundance than Wlad: Chin/toughness, and also, confidence in that chin/toughness.

Haye I feel will still lose, but he will have a better chance to both land and avoid against Vitali. Wlad is faster, quicker with feet, and better at judging distance. This is why Haye was so bewildered. Vital has enough pop to really hurt Haye in any exchanges. Pot shotting won't beat Vitali. Getting in and landing heavy and consistently will. But, in doing this Haye is open to solid return fire.

[cowzerp]

Good post big ears but I still see the fight been similar, as you said it will most likely just mean Haye doing even less-if he decides to engage this won't go the distance and there will be only 1 man to win by ko. Vitali.

Haye had a punchers chance v Wlad, this is not there v Vitali in my opinion, plus Vitali has much more of a killer instinct than Wlad.

[sxt]

A one armed 41 year Vitali would still have enough skill and toughness to beat Haye

Haye had his chance to Fight Vitali this September,the venue was already pre booked for the fight, but he turned it down to face Chisora in July instead .

Vitali is heavily involved in Politics now , and has been for the last decade. He is the leader of his own political party in the Ukraine .And he is running for Mayor Of kiev in October of this year .The dogs on the street knew that this was likely to be Vitali' s last ever fight , and so did Hayes camp

His biggest fights are ahead of him in ridding the Ukraine of corruption in politics. Maybe Gotham city will need him one day too .I really hope he can put on one final great performance , injury free, and get the rapturous sent off he richly deserves

[Syferus]

Originally Posted by sxt

A one armed 41 year Vitali would still have enough skill and toughness to beat Haye

Haye had his chance to Fight Vitali this September,the venue was already pre booked for the fight, but he turned it down to face Chisora in July instead .

Vitali is heavily involved in Politics now , and has been for the last decade. He is the leader of his own political party in the Ukraine .And he is running for Mayor Of kiev in October of this year .The dogs on the street knew that this was likely to be Vitali' s last ever fight , and so did Hayes camp

His biggest fights are ahead of him in ridding the Ukraine of corruption in politics. Maybe Gotham city will need him one day too .I really hope he can put on one final great performance , injury free, and get the rapturous sent off he richly deserves

You should be his PR man.

Klitchko wants the big pay-day Haye represents so this fight is almost a complete given. Hell, Vitali's manager told Haye he he should "fight someone like Chisora first" on The Night of the Long Bottle. You can't paint it both ways.

The back-peddling that'll go on here if Haye wins will crash one almighty road wreck.

[cowzerp]

Originally Posted by Syferus

The back-peddling that'll go on here if Haye wins will crash one almighty road wreck.

just aswell that won't happen so.