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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,227 ✭✭✭Sam Mac


    Release date was apparently moved to early next year. Really looking forward to this - big fan of Steve Carell and it will be interesting to see him in this kind of role.


  • Registered Users Posts: 84,809 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1


    http://insidemovies.ew.com/2014/04/22/foxcatcher-release-date/

    Foxcatcher, Bennett Miller’s drama about disturbed multimillionaire John du Pont and his ill-fated relationship with Olympic-wrestling brothers Mark and Dave Schultz, will open in theaters Nov. 14. The film, which originally was slated for a 2013 release, will premiere at next month’s Cannes Film Festival


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  • Registered Users Posts: 4,216 ✭✭✭Looper007


    Film has been getting rave reviews in Cannes especially Carell's performance. This is a rather touching tribute of Dave Schultz just after his death shot in front of his wife and died in her arms, who's played by Mark Ruffalo in the film, considered one of the greatest U.S Amateur wrestler's ever, even trained Olympic gold medallist Kurt Angle ( WWE fan's will know who he is), Dave and Mark (played by Channing Tatum) are the first brothers to win Olympic gold at the same Olympic's ever.



  • Registered Users Posts: 9,196 ✭✭✭maximoose


    New Teaser

    US release in November, UK/Ire in Jan

    I'm really looking forward to this :)


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  • Registered Users Posts: 84,809 ✭✭✭✭JP Liz V1




  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭IvaBigWun


    I think this is out here in two weeks? Surely this is the most delayed major release of recent years?

    Looks very promising!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 6,464 ✭✭✭e_e


    I think Enemy beats it. Came out last February in America but only out here on Friday.

    Also just had to remind myself that there's STILL no sign of Snowpiercer or The Immigrant on these shores. :(


  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 5,368 ✭✭✭IvaBigWun


    20 mins in and this is one of the slowest films Ive ever seen. Like really slow.

    Dont think I'll be lasting too much longer with it which is a shame, I was looking forward to it.


  • Registered Users Posts: 703 ✭✭✭Honey Monster


    IvaBigWun wrote: »
    20 mins in and this is one of the slowest films Ive ever seen. Like really slow.

    Dont think I'll be lasting too much longer with it which is a shame, I was looking forward to it.

    Can't help but say if you're browsing the intetnet while watching a movie you're not exactly giving it a sporting chance...


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  • This is quite the movie. Tatum and Carell are excellent, really both giving outstanding performances.

    Weirdly they show the guys watching the UFC in 1988 though, not sure how they make a mistake like that. Aside from that very impressed. Du Pont was one creepy man.


  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭mark13


    IvaBigWun wrote: »
    20 mins in and this is one of the slowest films Ive ever seen. Like really slow.

    Dont think I'll be lasting too much longer with it which is a shame, I was looking forward to it.

    Maybe you should have held out for a version that didn't have Arabic subtitles :pac:

    Saw it a few weeks ago in the Lighthouse cinema and thought it was excellent was a bit surprised by how abrupt the ending was, they skipped over DuPont's
    2 day standoff with the cops, were he demanded they call him the Dalai Lama amongst other nuttiness

    But overall I really, really enjoyed it, wouldn't be surprised if Carell gets an Oscar.

    For anyone interested, here's the documentary that they recreated in the movie.



  • Registered Users Posts: 1,383 ✭✭✭h2005


    This is quite the movie. Tatum and Carell are excellent, really both giving outstanding performances.

    Weirdly they show the guys watching the UFC in 1988 though, not sure how they make a mistake like that. Aside from that very impressed. Du Pont was one creepy man.

    They were watching cage MMA from Japan not UFC I thought?


  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭mark13


    h2005 wrote: »
    They were watching cage MMA from Japan not UFC I thought?

    The clip they're watching on tv is from UFC 8 which took place in Feb 1996, Mark Schultz fought at UFC 9 in May of 1996, so it seems like an odd mistake to have made.


  • Registered Users Posts: 6,208 ✭✭✭marklazarcovic


    was a good movie, du pont was some freak ,carrell played him brilliantly


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    Mentioned this article in the "What I've Recently Watched" thread. It's a brief look at Du Pont's life before he became involved with the wrestling. http://swimswam.com/foxcatcher-story-swimming-hall-fame-john-du-pont-not-depicted-foxcatcher-movie/

    Seems a rather sad story and implies it's not very well covered in the film. Then again the film seems to be about that particular incident rather than Du Pont himself.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,316 ✭✭✭VanZan


    Not a big fan of Miller's other stuff such as Capote and Moneyball and this did not change how I felt. Found it slow and uneventful. There was hardly any screen time given to his act of murder and the ensuing siege.

    I did have a chuckle at the David Brent type moments when he acted like some sort of mentor to the wrestlers in the presence of his Mum! :D Also the synopsis on thetvdb.com completely ruined the film for me as I knew nothing about what happened beforehand.

    I fully accept though that I'm just not sophisticated enough to enjoy this type of film what with all the rave reviews.




  • VanZan wrote: »
    Not a big fan of Miller's other stuff such as Capote and Moneyball and this did not change how I felt. Found it slow and uneventful. There was hardly any screen time given to his act of murder and the ensuing siege.

    I did have a chuckle at the David Brent type moments when he acted like some sort of mentor to the wrestlers in the presence of his Mum! :D Also the synopsis on thetvdb.com completely ruined the film for me as I knew nothing about what happened beforehand.

    I fully accept though that I'm just not sophisticated enough to enjoy this type of film what with all the rave reviews.

    Did you not think the slow pacing of the movie really created the weird atmosphere necessary to portray the oddity of Du Pont, and I guess the emotional issues felt by shultz stemming from childhood? I think the tone and pacing really almost set it up for Carell to give his performance of this extremely strange guy.


  • Registered Users Posts: 198 ✭✭mark13


    Mark Schultz posted this on facebook yesterday, it's quite interesting... seems like the movie took some massive liberties with the truth.

    Contains Spoilers
    I was already an Olympic and WORLD Champion before I met du Pont. The director took my 1985 World Title away in the film. I was not emotionally fragile as critics suggest. I didn't move to Pennsylvania to wrestle for Foxcatcher. I took an assistant coaching job at Villanova. I never looked up to duPont as a mentor, leader, father figure. He was a lot dirtier the first time I met him and he was drunk. He told me he would have nothing to do with Villanova which was the only reason I went there. du Pont was a repulsive sickening freak. I could barely stand looking at him. I never touched him except for a photo at the hall of fame and when I threw him in a headlock for a documentary. I never showed him any moves or taught him anything about wrestling. I never coached him in a wrestling match. I never read any speech he gave me. I never dyed my hair.

    Dave was my older brother, not a father-figure. After I won the NCAA's and Dave took 2nd, Dave started asking me about technique and calling himself Mark Schultz's brother. I was a 3x NCAA Champion. Dave won once. After 1986 I started beating Dave in practice consistently. I never worked out in the new wrestling complex duPont built in the film. If du Pont ever slapped me I'd have knocked his head off. I never wrestled after Dave moved onto Foxcatcher Farms. I was doing Jiu-Jitsu at BYU. Dave was never a head coach anywhere. I was a Division I University Head Coach for 6 years. Dave was intelligent but no more than me. Just coz I wasn't filling the silence with superfluous noise all the time doesn't mean I was inarticulate. I earned a masters degree with a 3.6 gpa. I'm a corporate speaker and life coach.

    The movie doesn't show hardly any of my victories. It focuses on only my losses. The personalities and relationships between the characters in the film are primarily fiction and somewhat insulting. Leaving the audience with a feeling that somehow there could have been a sexual relationship between duPont and I is a sickening and insulting lie. I told Bennett Miller to cut that scene out and he said it was to give the audience the feeling that duPont was encroaching on your privacy and personal space. I wasn't explicit so I didn't have a problem with it. Then after reading 3 or 4 reviews interpreting it sexually, and jeopardizing my legacy, they need to have a press conference to clear the air, or I will.


    Many say du Pont was insane or crazy. He had cocaine psychosis which cleared up in jail. He always knew what he was doing. He was so arrogant he bragged to me once he could get away with murder. He was also fighting a lawsuit at the same time as the murder trial to try to prove he had the mental capacity to control and manage his own money when his family tried to get him committed to take control of his money. It set up a dynamic where on the one hand he's saying he's insane in the criminal case and competent enough to handle is monetary affairs. The insanity plea was 100% fiction. During the trial he was wheeled into court every day. His hair and beard were grown out. Then he was convicted and he dropped the act. The day he was sentenced he walks in and out of court un-aided without a wheelchair, was clean shaven, and spoke for the first time. What he said made perfect sense considering his arrogance. He said "I want to say sorry to Dave's kids for any inconvenience". Ha! INCONVENIENCE! PERFECT


  • Moderators, Arts Moderators Posts: 23,923 Mod ✭✭✭✭TICKLE_ME_ELMO


    The article I posted above there, although from a different angle, implies basically the same thing, there's not a lot of truth in the film.


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  • Administrators, Computer Games Moderators, Sports Moderators Posts: 32,122 Admin ✭✭✭✭✭Mickeroo


    Changes like that are standard for most hollywood movies based on truth I would have thought.




  • Interesting all of that. He seemed pretty positive about things here



  • Registered Users Posts: 4,216 ✭✭✭Looper007


    watched this earlier today, Not a masterpiece by any means (its very very slow at times, it could have done with some cutting in places) but the acting is really top notch especially by Tatum who isn't been given enough credit. Carrell is very good as is Ruffalo. It's Very much a film that is all about its acting, like all of Miller's films. Well worth checking out but I doubt it be winning Awards come the Oscars imo.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,069 ✭✭✭cunnifferous


    Haven't seen the film yet but Mark Schultz seems to have some kind of mental breakdown after watching the film. Threatening to kill the director on twitter

    http://www.bloodyelbow.com/2015/1/1/7473855/mark-schultz-tweets-extreme-anger-director-foxcather-channing-tatum-steve-carrell


  • Registered Users Posts: 11,927 ✭✭✭✭titan18


    Thought the acting was excellent in it, but not a big fan of the film. Like others have said, it was very slow. Tatum, Ruffalo and Carell kept me interested but it was meh when you took out their acting.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭Drag00n79


    I saw it last night and thoroughly enjoyed it. I didn't know about the du ponts beforehand. I'm glad though I hadn't read this thread first - especially some of the early posts - as they would have ruined the end of the film for me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,746 ✭✭✭Drag00n79


    I saw it last night and thoroughly enjoyed it. I didn't know about the du ponts beforehand. I'm glad though I hadn't read this thread first - especially some of the early posts - as they would have ruined the end of the film for me.


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,299 ✭✭✭santana75


    I hate using spoiler tags so I'm just gonna say its best to stop reading now if you haven't seen this movie yet........

    Anyway went to see it last night and I thought it was......well honestly I think I'm still processing what I saw so its hard to pass judgment. What I can say though is that this is a film of immense atmosphere, I mean from the word go you just have this feeling that things aren't gonna end well. The acting is supreme. A lot has been said of Steve Carrel's performance already but I gotta say that it is a genuinely creepy and disturbing turn. If you think about brick from anchorman and then you have this du pont guy.......man that's a guy with serious acting range. I've known individuals like john du pont and they're the kind of people that just make you feel instantly uncomfortable. They have this spaced out, detached presence and talking to them is like trying have a conversation with someone who's just dropped a tonne of acid. Only with du pont there was an air of menace about his spacey-ness which carrell has absolutely nailed.
    Every time he's onscreen I had this uneasy feeling, like he could do something crazy at any moment.......and not good crazy, dangerous crazy, like someone's gonna get fcuked up. Carrell could well win the Oscar, although I think Michael Keaton deserves it a bit more. Mark ruffallo is brilliant too, but I think its unfair that Channing Tatum hasnt received the the same acclaim as the other two guys. He is great in this. There's a scene where he headbutts a mirror and its for real......I think he at least deserves an Oscar nomination.
    Its a disturbing story that ends in a shocking manner. It made me angry, I wanted to beat the **** out of du pont for senselessly killing a guy that was universally loved and respected. It made me sad as well because it is sad how people will accept unacceptable behavior from someone just because they're rich. Kurt angle said in an interview that there were so many warning signs of what was to come but that they all, him included, turned a blind eye, because they didn't want the gravey train to stop. Du pont comes across as a very lonely man who used his wealth to try and buy friends. That's sad too, that someone's life got to that point and maybe this was the reason why he flipped out and killed dave, who had told him shortly before hand that he was leaving foxcatcher?
    I dunno, this film is like watching two women fighting in temple bar on a saturday night, its disturbing and you're compelled to watch but it doesn't leave you feeling good about yourself after.


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,425 ✭✭✭Pierce_1991


    Just back from the cinema having seen it. Really enjoyed the film, Carrell and Ruffalo excellent but Tatum steals the show. I can see him winning an oscar one day. The story moves a bit slow but I think it helps create an atmosphere. This goes a long way towards
    shocking the audience when Du Pont shoots Dave. The shooting is quite sudden and I think that was done on purpose after most other scenes had moved along so slowly. Very well done.

    I think I'll have to go see this again though because it was ruined slightly by a bunch of people in the cinema just chatting away and laughing throughout the film. A couple behind me basically just conversed for the entirety of the film as if they were having a coffee at their local starbucks, I won't need to buy the DVD because they've already given me the running commentary. There was also a gang a few rows down that seemed to find the film hysterically funny, don't ask me how. So frustrating!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,216 ✭✭✭Ageyev


    I went to see this recently. As I aware of the story previously from my interest in wrestling the particulars of the story didn't surprise me so I was looking out for performances, accuracy and overall direction. Thought it was quite good and would recommend.

    As mentioned it is a slow-burner so maybe not a first date film. I heard Carrel on Mark Kermode's podcast recently talk about the sense of foreboding throughout which as the previous poster said
    makes the shooting of David
    all the more shocking. I knew it was coming but I leapt out of my seat as did a number of people around me.

    Went to see it in the IFI. The audience was respectful and picture/sound was fine.


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