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FEMA camps and Swine Flu coffins are ready for US state of Emergency and martial law

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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Well thats strange, only 7 swine flu deaths ,

    http://peacerebelgirl.wordpress.com/2009/04/30/who-admits-only-7-deaths-but-issues-level-5-alert/
    The possibility of a quarantine over this, despite the fact that Regular flu has killed thousands since January.

    Only 7 swine flu deaths, not 152, says WHO

    A member of the World Health Organisation (WHO) has dismissed claims that more than 150 people have died from swine flu, saying it has officially recorded only seven deaths around the world.

    Vivienne Allan, from WHO’s patient safety program, said the body had confirmed that worldwide there had been just seven deaths - all in Mexico - and 79 confirmed cases of the disease.

    Unfortunately that [150-plus deaths] is incorrect information and it does happen, but that’s not information that’s come from the World Health Organisation,” Ms Allan told ABC Radio today.

    “That figure is not a figure that’s come from the World Health Organisation and, I repeat, the death toll is seven and they are all from Mexico.”

    Ms Allan said WHO had confirmed 40 cases of swine flu in the Americas, 26 in Mexico, six in Canada, two in Spain, two in Britain and three in New Zealand.

    Ms Allan said it was difficult to measure how fast the virus was spreading.

    She said a real concern would be if the flu virus manifested in a country where a person had had no contact with Mexico, and authorities were watching all countries for signs of that.

    “There is no pattern that has emerged at this stage to be able to say that it is spreading in a particular way or it is spreading into a particular country … the situation is continuing to evolve,” she said.

    She said the WHO was not recommending against overseas travel, but urged those who felt sick to stay home and others to ensure they kept their hands clean.

    No decision had yet been made about vaccinations.

    This virus is not airborne, it’s caused by droplets … so it’s not a time for worry. It’s a time to be prepared,” Ms Allan said.


    kadman


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 5,778 ✭✭✭tallaght01


    derry wrote: »
    the Vaccines are sure made to kill the patients on soft kill solutions if the virus doesnt get them first


    I don't know why you would even say something like that? It's simply crazy to suggest that vaccines kill, when most people in developing countries have had vaccines.

    It's also offensive to those of us who are actually dealing with these problems, as opposed to sitting behind a keyboard. I worked a 14 hour shift today, and spent 6 of those hours in a vaccine clinic for kids. It's pretty nasty to imply that we would happily give out something that kills people, and just go home to bed without giving a toss.

    I don't care what you decide to do with your own health, but if you're going to make crazy claims, at least back them up with something more substantial than a blog.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Just came across this, some interesting facts in it, although I have not read it all .

    http://www.relfe.com/vaccine.html
    The FDA's VAERS (Vaccine Adverse Effects Reporting System) receives about 11,000 reports of serious adverse reactions to vaccination annually, some 1% (112+) of which are deaths from vaccine reactions.[1]

    The majority of these reports are made by doctors, and the majority of deaths are attributed to the pertussis (whooping cough) vaccine, the "P" in DPT. This figure alone is alarming, yet it is only the "tip of the iceberg." The FDA estimates that only about 10% of adverse reactions are reported, [2] a figure supported by two National Vaccine Information Center (NVIC) investigations. [3]

    In fact, the NVIC reported that "In New York, only one out of 40 doctor's offices [2.5%] confirmed that they report a death or injury following vaccination," -- 97.5% of vaccine related deaths and disabilities go unreported there. Implications about the integrity of medical professionals aside (doctors are legally required to report serious adverse events), these findings suggest that vaccine deaths actually occurring each year may be well over 1,000

    kadman


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,318 ✭✭✭O'Coonassa


    Im deadly serious, I will not take any needle without witnessing the results first hand for myself. I personally would not trust any rushed in cocktail vaccination.

    In the 1976 Swine Flu outbreak the vaccination killed more people than the virus.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 20,009 ✭✭✭✭Run_to_da_hills


    O'Coonassa wrote: »
    In the 1976 Swine Flu outbreak the vaccination killed more people than the virus.
    I can well believe it, and can see it happening.

    People must also understand that there are billions of dollars worth of Tamiflu bought by Governments around the globe from the 2006 "scare" that must be consumed immediately as its 3 year shelf life is almost expired.

    http://www.wddty.com/03363800372785950688/swine-flu-alert-clears-old-stock-of-tamiflu.html


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    Some information on tamiflu,

    http://www.newscientist.com/article/dn10527-warning-of-psychiatric-problems-with-tamiflu-.html
    A new warning label has been added to the influenza drug Tamiflu following reports of delirium and hallucinations among people - mostly children - taking the medication.

    The US Food and Drug Administration (FDA) updated the label on Monday after reports of more than 100 people, mostly in Japan, who suffered unusual psychiatric effects, including cases of self-injury and suicide, when taking the drug. On Tuesday, the FDA advised parents to watch out for such reactions in their children when treating them with the antiflu drug

    http://www.medicinenet.com/script/main/art.asp?articlekey=87650
    March 4, 2008—The FDA today announced that the flu drug Tamiflu now has a stronger warning about rare reports of delirium and abnormal behavior leading to self-injury, and, in some cases, death.

    Tamifu's label continues to stress the importance of watching flu patients for signs of unusual behavior and seeking immediate care if any such signs are observed.

    Since November 2006, Tamiflu's warning information has noted postmarketing reports, mainly from Japan, of self-injury and delirium in flu patients—and that it's not clear if Tamiflu caused those problems

    kadman


  • Registered Users Posts: 17,247 ✭✭✭✭6th


    O'Coonassa wrote: »
    In the 1976 Swine Flu outbreak the vaccination killed more people than the virus.

    Anything to back this up?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    http://www.independent.co.uk/life-style/health-and-wellbeing/health-news/swine-flu-q-amp-a-is-tamiflu-ndash-or-a-vaccine-ndash-the-answer-1676395.html
    Q. How safe are influenza vaccines?

    A. Very safe. However, there was a bad experience in 1976 when a vaccine was developed against a swine flu outbreak. Some 40 million Americans were injected with the vaccine, which killed 25 and left 500 others with Guillain Barré syndrome, a serious neurological disorder. The vaccine turned out more dangerous than the original flu outbreak, which killed only one person

    kadman


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    kadman wrote: »

    Wonder if the low death rate had anything to do the 40 million who were vaccinated.

    And 25 deaths to 40 million? You probably will find alot of other drugs that have worse record.


  • Registered Users Posts: 15,443 ✭✭✭✭bonkey


    King Mob wrote: »
    And 25 deaths to 40 million? You probably will find alot of other drugs that have worse record.

    Aspirin and paracetamol spring to mind.


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  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    King Mob wrote: »
    Wonder if the low death rate had anything to do the 40 million who were vaccinated.

    And 25 deaths to 40 million? You probably will find alot of other drugs that have worse record.


    Wonder if the low death rates had anything to do with the low level of reporting of adverse effects from doctors. What about the incidences of Guillain Barre syndrome.

    The FDA estimates that only about 10% of adverse reactions are reported,


    kadman


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    kadman wrote: »
    Wonder if the low death rates had anything to do with the low level of reporting of adverse effects from doctors. What about the incidences of Guillain Barre syndrome.

    kadman
    Again 500 cases to 40 million vaccinated. There is probably worse drugs.

    And that 90% of adverse reactions not reported could include anything form a slight itch to being sick for a few days.
    the 10% that are reported are probably the only reaction that are serious.

    And what percent of total vaccinations actually lead to adverse reactions?


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    King Mob wrote: »
    Again 500 cases to 40 million vaccinated. There is probably worse drugs.

    And that 90% of adverse reactions not reported could include anything form a slight itch to being sick for a few days.
    the 10% that are reported are probably the only reaction that are serious.

    And what percent of total vaccinations actually lead to adverse reactions?

    Its still only 10% of reported cases. True the other 90% may minimal, or serious, but as they are unreported, we wont know.

    There are many other vaccines that have large numbers of side effects, from minor to serious. But at the risk of going off topic, as they dont relate to swine flu, I wont mention them.

    But I,d be willing to contribute to another thread discussing them as a seperate issue from swine flu.

    kadman


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    kadman wrote: »
    Its still only 10% of reported cases. True the other 90% may minimal, or serious, but as they are unreported, we wont know.
    That statistic doesn't say who doesn't report them patients doctors or companies.
    My guess is it is the patients due the the side effect not being serious.

    But even with the 90% being as serious as the 500 hundred cases of Guillain Barre syndrome. It's still 5000 to 40,000,000 . That's about 0.001% of all vaccinations.
    And that was thirty years ago.
    kadman wrote: »
    There are many other vaccines that have large numbers of side effects, from minor to serious. But at the risk of going off topic, as they dont relate to swine flu, I wont mention them.

    But I,d be willing to contribute to another thread discussing them as a seperate issue from swine flu.

    kadman
    And the vast, vast majority of claims about the harmful effects of vaccines are based on unscientific nonsense.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    King Mob wrote: »
    ...........

    And the vast, vast majority of claims about the harmful effects of vaccines are based on unscientific nonsense.

    Can you substantiate that comment with something to back it up please.
    Thanks

    kadman


  • Registered Users Posts: 129 ✭✭Rei-chan


    I have been reading loads about how the American government created this to kill mexicans and cull 90% of the human population, but I think these people are just crazy paranoid.
    I really don't think that this is a conspiracy, just a regular, natural influenza that kills people.
    Just stay inside and you'll be grand. I've already started stock piling beans and spaghetti hoops.


  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 47,223 CMod ✭✭✭✭Black Swan


    This whole swine flu (H1 N1) pandemic has been overblown by the news media (especially in the USA) to improve their ratings and attract advertiser money. Furthermore, there's not a conspiracy theory worth mentioning beyond that typical of the news media acting as a business serving their profit-making interests.

    Let's just look at the USA (for example) where there is so much daily swine flu news media hysteria and put the swine flu into perspective.

    How many people have actually died as a result of swine flu related illness out of the 300 million people in the USA? As of 4 May 2009 there have been 286 confirmed cases of H1 N1 flu, but only one death according to the Centers for Disease Control.
    Source: http://www.cdc.gov/h1n1flu/

    In comparison to this, how many US Americans die of the various types of (non-swine) flu on the average per year? The CDC reports an average of 36,000 deaths.
    Source: http://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/disease/us_flu-related_deaths.htm

    Shouldn't the news media flu hysteria be focused upon the 36,000 per year that die in the USA, rather than the one swine flu victim? Does anyone see the tragic-comedy in this, or what we call the craic?

    Oh I can see the critics of this post pointing to the number of tragic deaths in Ciudad de México. Well it is tragic! But has anyone bothered to check on how many people typically die of disease in Ciudad de México per year to see if this exceeds the norm, especially for the poor that lack adequate sanitation, medical care, or a healthy diet?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,630 ✭✭✭Oracle


    Swine Flu Propaganda from 1976: http://www.brasschecktv.com/page/611.html Another century, same old sh1t! :rolleyes:


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    kadman wrote: »
    Can you substantiate that comment with something to back it up please.
    Thanks

    kadman
    The entire thermisol thing? And the fact the anti vaccination crowd came up with utter nonsense to convince people that it was dangerous?


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,630 ✭✭✭Oracle


    This video sums up the evidence and theories fairly well. Plus David Ayoub, M.D introduces new theories based on the new recombinant vaccine technology: http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=6890106663412840646 It is 90 minutes long but well worth watching, compelling viewing.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    King Mob wrote: »
    Wonder if the low death rate had anything to do the 40 million who were vaccinated.

    And 25 deaths to 40 million? You probably will find alot of other drugs that have worse record.

    Well I think you are mistaken to assume that Dr's are and were putting Vaccines as the cause of death even when they are. Think about it...it's counterproductive.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    King Mob wrote: »
    The entire thermisol thing? And the fact the anti vaccination crowd came up with utter nonsense to convince people that it was dangerous?

    Can you substantiate your previous comment,
    And the vast, vast majority of claims about the harmful effects of vaccines are based on unscientific nonsense.

    with some facts please, or is that just your own personal belief. thanks

    http://chetday.com/novacarticles.html

    Mods, sorry for going off topic.

    kadman


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Well I think you are mistaken to assume that Dr's are and were putting Vaccines as the cause of death even when they are. Think about it...it's counterproductive.
    And how do you know this is the case?

    Are you just assuming there is a cover up?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    King Mob wrote: »
    And how do you know this is the case?
    http://www.whale.to/vaccine/sf5.html#CAN%20MEDICAL%20STATISTICS%20BE%20RELIED%20ON?
    King Mob wrote: »
    Are you just assuming there is a cover up?
    no


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    kadman wrote: »
    Can you substantiate your previous comment,
    From http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thiomersal_controversy
    The scientific consensus—including scientific and medical bodies such as the Institute of Medicine and World Health Organization[8] as well as governmental agencies such as the Food and Drug Administration[4] and the CDC[9]—rejects any role for thiomersal in autism or other neurodevelopmental disorders.
    The references are on the page.
    kadman wrote: »
    with some facts please, or is that just your own personal belief. thanks
    It's is pruely my personal opinion that the only thing to support anti vaccination is pseudosciene. But this is from researching the claims they make.
    Maybe you can show other wise.

    kadman wrote: »
    Wow those are some scary sounding titles.
    All look how they only only the scary sounding parts of some of those papers.
    Like this one.
    This new vaccine was tested on orphans in Philadelphia.
    It was even in big scary letters.
    And from such a neutral site too.


    Could please show us one of those papers that reach the conclusions the site implied?


    kadman wrote: »
    Mods, sorry for going off topic.

    kadman
    Maybe the threads can be split.


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    Huh for a little research the quotes given refer to he Metropolitan Asylums Board as current.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Asylums_Board
    It was closed in 1930.

    There has been a few changes in medical administration in 79 years.
    no
    So what evidence have you that there is?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 857 ✭✭✭Sofa_King Good


    King Mob wrote: »
    Huh for a little research the quotes given refer to he Metropolitan Asylums Board as current.
    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Metropolitan_Asylums_Board
    It was closed in 1930.

    There has been a few changes in medical administration in 79 years.

    So what evidence have you that there is?

    it was referring to this ""In the epidemic of 1870-72 the Metropolitan Asylum Board "


  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    it was referring to this ""In the epidemic of 1870-72 the Metropolitan Asylum Board "
    Yea that's some up to date info right there.


  • Moderators, Home & Garden Moderators Posts: 5,057 Mod ✭✭✭✭kadman


    As Thiomersal is a mecury based preservative, its interesting now to note the FDA's admission on mercery risks.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS217338+05-Jun-2008+PRN20080605

    [
    B]Gone are all of FDA's claims that no science exists that amalgam is unsafe[/B], or
    that other countries have acted for environmental reasons only, or that the
    2006 FDA advisory panel affirmed amalgam's safety, all of which are untrue.
    Instead, the FDA has moved to a more neutral course, while still recognizing
    the serious health risks posed by amalgam in particular for children and
    unborn children, for pregnant women, and for those with mercury
    immuno-sensitivity

    FDA has also had to issue warning letters related to the manufacturing procedures for some vaccine plants.

    http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/3007
    In December, Merck recalled over 1.2 million doses of defective vaccines—11 lots of PedvaxHIB vaccine and two lots of Comvax vaccine—when quality control checks revealed production equipment might not have been properly sterilized. Merck also quarantined a nearly one-year supply of other potentially suspect doses. Vaccines involved protect against Hib—or Haemophilus influenzae type b—disease and other conditions; Comvax also prevents against hepatitis B. The vaccines were distributed beginning April 2007 and all but one lot was distributed in the United States. Merck supplies about half the 14 million doses of Hib vaccine used in the U.S. annually. FDA inspectors visited the Montgomery County plant on 30 separate occasions from November through January

    kadman


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  • Registered Users Posts: 25,226 ✭✭✭✭King Mob


    kadman wrote: »
    As Thiomersal is a mecury based preservative, its interesting now to note the FDA's admission on mercery risks.

    http://www.reuters.com/article/pressRelease/idUS217338+05-Jun-2008+PRN20080605
    Firstly that talking about Dental fillings not vaccinations.
    Second the mercury used in amalgam fillings is not the same as the compound in thiomersal.
    Third it saying they pose a slight risk to subjects already at risk from a lot of things.

    This has nothing to do with vaccinations it's kinda dishonest to say that it does.
    kadman wrote: »
    FDA has also had to issue warning letters related to the manufacturing procedures for some vaccine plants.

    http://www.newsinferno.com/archives/3007


    kadman
    Yes that produced defective vaccines that weren't issued to patients because the FDA was monitoring them for defective vaccines.

    This could apply to any medicine and in no way implies an inherent danger in vaccines.

    Not convincing my away from my pseudoscience opinion.


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