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Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

  • 27-03-2012 12:10am
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    Registered Users Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭


    Ireland seems to prefer the principal of innocent until suspected guilty then they're scum of the earth, to be publicly chastised and should be stoned to death regardless of whether the conclusive evidence exists or not.


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  • Banned (with Prison Access) Posts: 1,177 ✭✭✭MickySticks


    Cool story bro


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Bertie is guilty

    We don't need a court case and a conviction to tell us that


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 2,515 ✭✭✭LH Pathe


    I think we all know when we are guilty.. just.. depends whether we've a conscience or not


  • Registered Users Posts: 1,447 ✭✭✭Downlinz


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    Bertie is guilty

    We don't a court case and a conviction to tell us that

    Just as well since they can't.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    "Ireland"? Or perhaps some people have that take all over the world - and it's nothing new.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,137 ✭✭✭44leto


    Downlinz wrote: »
    Ireland seems to prefer the principal of innocent until suspected guilty then they're scum of the earth, to be publicly chastised and should be stoned to death regardless of whether the conclusive evidence exists or not.


    What happened to free thinking, reasoning and opinion.

    What happened to taking responsibility for your actions.

    What is wrong with telling the truth to a tribunal.


  • Registered Users Posts: 3,443 ✭✭✭Bipolar Joe


    What ever happened to twin sets? What ever happened to Hi-fi? What ever happened to TV sex? What ever happened to you and I?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 37,215 ✭✭✭✭Dudess


    Whatever happened to Corey Haim?


  • Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Science, Health & Environment Moderators, Technology & Internet Moderators Posts: 90,538 Mod ✭✭✭✭Capt'n Midnight


    It's AH what do you expect :pac:

    Also you are only presumed innocent in a criminal trial and there the degree of proof is very high such that guilty people often go free to prevent an innocent being found guilty.

    Also it costs money to have trials, so the DPP won't start unless there is a fairly high chance of a conviction

    In a good many cases people have had 90+ previous convictions so the stereotype scumbag having a history of breaking the law isn't totally unjustified

    or the person may be known to the police or the media, or it belong to a notorious family

    what you should do some day is make a note of all the addresses given for certain types of people found guilty and plot them on a map, you may even see a pattern

    none of the above mean you are guilty, but the probability goes up exponentially with each box ticked



    in a civil trial if it's 50:50 you are guilty you pay 50% of the claim , cf OJ Simpson owing millions or reduced compensation claims.


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,207 ✭✭✭The King of Moo


    What ever happened to nostalgia?

    Also Bertie is clearly guilty, and only his most blinkered acolytes would suggest he's innocent.

    He only dealt with cash, he had to fall back on the cliché of claiming he won money on the horses, and the tribunal found his testimony to be untruthful!


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Dudess wrote: »
    Whatever happened to Corey Haim?

    Ah, He died, Like two years ago. RIP:(


  • Registered Users Posts: 2,883 ✭✭✭smokedeels


    charlemont wrote: »
    Ah, He died, Like two years ago. RIP:(

    "Every night in my dreams. I see you, I feel you, That is how I know you go on"

    :(



    WE MISS YOU C-Dog!

    Thanks OP for reminding us of Corey, even if it wasn't your original intention.

    Lets spend the rest of the thread sharing our favorite Haim moments in film.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 4,725 ✭✭✭charlemont


    Corey was innocent .. G'up tha 80s' Boss.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 669 ✭✭✭mongoman


    Downlinz wrote: »
    Whatever happened to innocent until proven guilty?

    Bertie Ahern happened.


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 1,250 ✭✭✭lividduck


    Downlinz wrote: »
    Ireland seems to prefer the principal of innocent until suspected guilty then they're scum of the earth, to be publicly chastised and should be stoned to death regardless of whether the conclusive evidence exists or not.
    Hiyy OP, how many members has the "Bertie is a God" club got now?:D


  • Registered Users Posts: 12,948 ✭✭✭✭bnt


    Downlinz wrote: »
    Ireland seems to prefer the principal of innocent until suspected guilty then they're scum of the earth, to be publicly chastised and should be stoned to death regardless of whether the conclusive evidence exists or not.
    <grammarnazi>Principle, you mean? Principals are for schools and ballet companies.</grammarnazi> :p

    Besides, "innocent till proven guilty" is too complicated. It takes too long and costs too much. We wants our opinions simple and we wants them given to us now!

    From out there on the moon, international politics look so petty. You want to grab a politician by the scruff of the neck and drag him a quarter of a million miles out and say, ‘Look at that, you son of a bitch’.

    — Edgar Mitchell, Apollo 14 Astronaut



  • Moderators, Category Moderators, Politics Moderators, Recreation & Hobbies Moderators, Society & Culture Moderators Posts: 81,310 CMod ✭✭✭✭coffee_cake


    whatever happened to my rock n roll?


  • Registered Users Posts: 8,659 ✭✭✭CrazyRabbit


    I suspect that the OP is a drug dealing armed robber who beats up old grannies to steal their pensions.

    I don't have any proof...but I just know he's guilty!


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    44leto wrote: »
    What happened to free thinking, reasoning and opinion.

    What happened to taking responsibility for your actions.

    What is wrong with telling the truth to a tribunal.

    It was banned by Denis O'Brien.

    Only when you're winning.

    ....because ye'd be locked up?


  • Closed Accounts Posts: 46,938 ✭✭✭✭Nodin


    bluewolf wrote: »
    whatever happened to my rock n roll?


    I'd imagine its still located in the area indicated by the diagrams.


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  • Closed Accounts Posts: 10,562 ✭✭✭✭Sunnyisland


    What ever happened to shergar ? Would did bertie back him ?


  • Registered Users Posts: 23,953 ✭✭✭✭ejmaztec


    The OP did it whatever it was, let's get him.


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