Royal Dublin Fusiliers

phaethon · 18-07-2011 9:01pm #1

Hi guys,

I picked up some kind a metal insignia to the RDF and I would like to query what exactly I have now. I think they are collar tabs or shoulder board letters from WW1 period. Maybe some expert here can help me?:cool:

Regards,

Timo aka Phaethon

kabakuyu · 19-07-2011 12:34am

it is a shoulder title,it would have had an exploding grenade above it,it was used up to 1922 by enlisted men.

phaethon · 19-07-2011 1:08am

Prefect! Thanks for the information! I will start posting under here my RDF related items for queries... interesting unit what I am more and more keen as a collector.;)

Thanks again,

Timo

phaethon · 23-07-2011 10:14am

My next pick up for 5 euro (I hope I didn't pay too much:D):

[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]A War Office letter from Col. J. Hamilton Military Secretary, to Captain Horrocks of the 2nd Batallion Royal Dublin Fusiliers, informing of His Royal Highness C in C of the Regiments decision to turn down his provisional promotion. Dated the 27th December 1894. Some tears along the folds otherwise a nice piece of militay history:cool:[/FONT]

Its pretty long and big piece of paper, so I scanned it in two parts.

kowloon · 26-07-2011 12:01am

phaethon wrote: »

My next pick up for 5 euro (I hope I didn't pay too much:D):
[FONT=Verdana, sans-serif]A War Office letter from Col. J. Hamilton Military Secretary, to Captain Horrocks of the 2nd Batallion Royal Dublin Fusiliers, informing of His Royal Highness C in C of the Regiments decision to turn down his provisional promotion. Dated the 27th December 1894. Some tears along the folds otherwise a nice piece of militay history:cool:[/FONT]

I was looking at the picture for the wet damage until I realised I read it wrong

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phaethon · 26-07-2011 12:15am

Ahaaa:D

Here is my today's pick up - is it original RDF cap badge?

kowloon · 26-07-2011 2:42pm

Do you use the Kipling & King book for ID or something else?

phaethon · 26-07-2011 6:23pm

kowloon wrote: »

Do you use the Kipling & King book for ID or something else?

Can you please tell me more what book it is?

kowloon · 27-07-2011 12:56pm

phaethon wrote: »

Can you please tell me more what book it is?

I had to look it up myself when I first saw it.

A lot of the militaria dealers might have beside each listing something like: KK451.

Turns out it referred to the plates in a two volume set:

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Head-dress-Badges-British-Army-1800-1918/dp/1843425122/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1311767206&sr=8-1

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Headdress-Badges-British-Army-Present/dp/0584109482/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1311767206&sr=8-2

Was just wondering if everyone who collects British cap badges follows these.

I know a lot of areas of collecting have their collecting bible, was wondering if these were the books to get.

I used to buy cap badges with my pocket money when I was in school, (a single into town only cost 35p and the badges were cheap enough that restrikes weren't common).

phaethon · 30-07-2011 12:00am

No, it is my very first or second British cap badge ever what I have been picked up.
Only this type of "collector's bibles" what I have are regarding German ribbons, Nimmergut catalogues, etc only.

Actually it would be maybe beneficial idea to make a post with the listsings of reference mnaterials and comments which one can be listed "must have".

Here is the best translation of the letter what I have:

No.7247
C. in .C's Office

Fort William

27th Dec 1894
Copy of a letter from Military Secretary, H. Gds(Horse Guards) to H. E. the C. in C. in India, No.107/102/65 ? War Office 28th November 1894.

I am directed by H.R.H. the C. in C. to acknowledge receipt of your letter of the 27th ulto, & to aquaint you in reply that H.R.H. does not consider the reasons given by Captn A.M. Horrocks, 2nd R. Dub Fus sufficient to justify his being promoted provisionaly.

Forwarded for Information
Sig J. Hamilton Col
Mily Secty

True copy forwarded for info
B.O.

?/1/95 ? ? Captain

Adjutant, 2nd R. Dub Fus

To Captain A.M. Horrocks
2nd R. Dub Fus

phaethon · 30-07-2011 12:19am

I will post some of my most interesting RDF medal sets up here shortly as well.

But next today I would like to ask a question about the photo below.... is it reprint and has some of you guys have seen it before? Picture of two POWs - one of them is Royal Dublin Fusiliers. Looks "fresh" but I am not an expert. Hopefully Morlar can take a look when we meet next time:cool:

Looks like RDF cap badge?

kowloon · 30-07-2011 12:24am

phaethon wrote: »

Actually it would be maybe beneficial idea to make a post with the listsings of reference mnaterials and comments which one can be listed "must have".

Not a bad idea, and some of the references are collectible in their own right.

phaethon · 30-07-2011 12:29am

kowloon - you shoot away first! ( I am looking my typing and I actually should go to bed - way too much vino tonight:D)

phaethon · 22-08-2011 10:41pm

Today's arrival. Someone, who have similar ones, how mine looks - is it original period service dress button. Made by ARMFIELD LTD. BIRMINGHAM. Are these even faked?:eek:

As you can see, loop is missing but I paid only few euros for that, so it will be fine for a display until I can "updgrade" it.

kabakuyu · 26-08-2011 11:05pm

Looks good to me armfield is a well known maker of military buttons.
good link here to help date it.

http://www.ukdfd.co.uk/pages/button-makers.html#anchora

R.Dub.Fusilier · 26-08-2011 11:47pm

got this letter in a book that i got about two months ago, the book belonged to a former brigader in the british army. the letter was addressed to him and was from AE Mainwaring in relation to subscribers who helped pay for the first printing of "The Records of 2nd Battalion RDF" letter and book are dated 1911

R.Dub.Fusilier · 26-08-2011 11:50pm

AE Mainwarings medal index card

phaethon · 29-08-2011 10:48pm

And here is my next RDF related find. Only reference material regarding insignia for RDF what I have is one page on the well known book "Crown and Company".

Anyway guys. Is this pre WW1 period collar tab for Royal Dublin Fusiliers 1st and 2nd Battalions? Can someone date it even more?

Regards,

Timo

molders · 05-09-2011 8:44pm

Those Mainwaring letters are interesting, did you know that they were in the book when you bought it?

Mainwaring's book was Volumn 1 up to 1911 and Colonel Wylly wrote the second volumn that covered 1911 to 1922. The attached photos show the Regiment's presentation copy of the 2nd volumn of "Crown and Company"to the author. Its a leather bound book with gilt edged pages and a book mark that features the regimental colours. The regiment's badge is inset into the front cover in gilt.

phaethon · 05-09-2011 10:02pm

Next arrival. Again, does someone knows insignia part well? What period these were in use? Am I correct that it's the Service Dress Collar Grenades?

phaethon · 05-09-2011 10:13pm

I compared this one again with the one what I picked up earlier and I can see now difference of lion's tail - I remember this indicates period but can someone clear it out here again please?

R.Dub.Fusilier · 06-09-2011 11:40am

i have one the same and its an officers collar badge.

R.Dub.Fusilier · 06-09-2011 11:45am

molders wrote: »

Those Mainwaring letters are interesting, did you know that they were in the book when you bought it?

Mainwaring's book was Volumn 1 up to 1911 and Colonel Wylly wrote the second volumn that covered 1911 to 1922. The attached photos show the Regiment's presentation copy of the 2nd volumn of "Crown and Company"to the author. Its a leather bound book with gilt edged pages and a book mark that features the regimental colours. The regiment's badge is inset into the front cover in gilt.

the letter was with the book when i got it but i didnt buy the book i got it for nothing from the grandaughter of the original owner . i payed to have it restored , the cover was off.

kabakuyu · 07-09-2011 7:33pm

R.Dub.Fusilier wrote: »

AE Mainwarings medal index card

Mainwaring was a controversial figure in the RDF, by the end of 1914 he was court martialled for scandalous conduct(if I recall correctly) for the incident called the "Colonels Surrender" at the village of Saint quentin on the 26/27 August 1914.
Link here if you have not seen it before

http://www.dublin-fusiliers.com/battaliions/2-batt/campaigns/1914-retreat-mons.html

phaethon · 14-09-2011 11:59pm

My today's pick up for 3 eur (I hope I didn't pay way too much:rolleyes:). Next small service dress button from "Hobson & Sons - Lexington - London". Looks nice and age toned metal, also shows some wear. I like it especially because its with the fastener ring.

Also I just missed bullion "grenade" on ebay - looks like someone wanted it badly. How common these are? It sold for 38 GBP.

Picture is not so good but still...

phaethon · 15-09-2011 12:08am

kowloon wrote: »

Do you use the Kipling & King book for ID or something else?

May I ask kindly, is it possible to get a scan or photos of the pages what covers Royal Dublin Fusiliers insignia, tabs and flashes (I actually even don't know whats in there).
Or if any of you have some good photos of RDF insignia study materials, can I please ask some scans for study and learn purposes. I have at the moment only one picture on the "Crown and Company" and thats it.

I hope some of you can help me or advise, where to look.

Regards,

Timo

kabakuyu · 17-09-2011 9:42pm

hi timo, have look at this site.

http://www.britishbadgeforum.com/forums/index.php

phaethon · 19-09-2011 11:44pm

phaethon wrote: »

And here is my next RDF related find. Only reference material regarding insignia for RDF what I have is one page on the well known book "Crown and Company".

Anyway guys. Is this pre WW1 period collar tab for Royal Dublin Fusiliers 1st and 2nd Battalions? Can someone date it even more?

Regards,

Timo

I received next one today. Looks like much better condition, without any marks of wear. Again, becasuse its my first one, any, who has similar, maybe can advise does mine looks original period one?

Because slight differences of details, can someone advise the period of them as well please if it is possible to ID it?

Mainly: how common repros of RDF insigna are on the market?

Thanks in advance,

Timo

R.Dub.Fusilier · 20-09-2011 12:32pm

i cant date the badge for you but a badge dealer who i have bought stuff from in the past told me that sometimes the 1st and 2nd battalions would get their own badges made up. so one may have the elephant over the tiger and the other may have the tiger over the elephant.

phaethon · 26-09-2011 10:39pm

And here is my today's arrival.

A coat button from Royal Dublin Fusiliers.

phaethon · 26-09-2011 10:44pm

And "exploading grenade". Is thats the one what I was missing top of letters "RDF" (these three items came all from different sources). If its correct, I still missing one:rolleyes:.

Royal Dublin Fusiliers

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