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Lowry A picture says a thousand Words

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    #62
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Lowry is Independent now but obviously still on very friendly terms with some/many F.G. members.
    He's an elected TD - FG have to deal with him. That doesn't necessarily mean he has many friends within the party (although he probably has some). But again, it comes down to the electorate. If people don't want to see their representative being pally with Lowry, then it's up to people to let their representative know about it: "I don't approve of what Lowry's done, so keep your distance from him or you'll be losing my support."


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    #63
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    Wider Road wrote: »
    Have we (or you djpbarry) any evidence that the Gardai are certainly not ignoring the findings of the Tribunal?
    You want me to provide evidence that the Gardai are not doing something? How would that work?


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    #64
    golfball37
    Registered Users Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭golfball37


    According to the tribunals the Gardaí have not served this state with distinction when it comes to corruption, sadly there's no evidence to suggest this has changed depsite the assertions above.

    4 years on and still no Anglo movement is just another blot on their copybook.


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    #65
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    golfball37 wrote: »
    4 years on and still no Anglo movement is just another blot on their copybook.
    This assumes that (a) somebody at Anglo was guilty of criminal activity and (b) that 4 years was a sufficient length of time to build a case against them. Neither are valid assumptions.


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    #66
    golfball37
    Registered Users Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭golfball37


    djpbarry wrote: »
    This assumes that (a) somebody at Anglo was guilty of criminal activity and (b) that 4 years was a sufficient length of time to build a case against them. Neither are valid assumptions.

    Transferring money from 1 institution to anothers balance sheet to prop up a company's value is a crime. Nobody has denied this has happened in Anglo?

    Or maybe your being selective?


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    #67
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    golfball37 wrote: »
    Transferring money from 1 institution to anothers balance sheet to prop up a company's value is a crime. Nobody has denied this has happened in Anglo?
    Ok? That doesn't contradict what I said?


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    #68
    golfball37
    Registered Users Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭golfball37


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Ok? That doesn't contradict what I said?

    So you are admitting a crime did take place in Anglo despite saying it might not have previously?


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    #69
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,485 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    We are going off topic a bit here and really we should stick to the Lowry issues.

    I believe this man is at least tainted as has been decided by a Tribunal set up by our Government. The fact that this has been decided is enough for me to warrant that Government parties should shun meetings with him regardless of him being elected.
    If it were recognised that he was being shunned because of what the Tribunal said (even though it's not a court) then the people who elected him might think twice about voting for him again as nobody is listening to him, meeting him or recognising his position.
    What's the point of having Tribunals at all if nobody listens to what they decide?
    The Government ministers refusing to have any dealings with him would be a first step.


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    #70
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    golfball37 wrote: »
    So you are admitting a crime did take place in Anglo despite saying it might not have previously?
    I'm saying I really don't know what happened in Anglo as I don't have all the facts to hand. Neither do you. Hence the need for the Garda investigation.

    I'm not really sure what this has to do with Lowry?


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    #71
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    tayto lover wrote: »
    I believe this man is at least tainted as has been decided by a Tribunal set up by our Government. The fact that this has been decided is enough for me to warrant that Government parties should shun meetings with him regardless of him being elected.
    Suppose government parties decided they weren't going to have anything to do with Sinn Fein - would that be acceptable?


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    #72
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,485 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    djpbarry wrote: »
    Suppose government parties decided they weren't going to have anything to do with Sinn Fein - would that be acceptable?

    Suppose that even Sinn Fein decided not to have anything to do with them ?

    No back to reality. Sinn Fein were not the subject of a Govt appointed Tribunal in fairness.


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    #73
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    tayto lover wrote: »
    Sinn Fein were not the subject of a Govt appointed Tribunal in fairness.
    My point is that members of the Dail would have their reasons for not wanting to deal with them. But, they have to. In the same way, they have to deal with Lowry.

    You have to be consistent. If it is decided that Lowry should be black-listed, that opens up quite a can of worms. It seems far more logical to tackle the problem at its root - the electorate who are returning Lowry to the Dail in the first place.


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    #74
    mikemac1
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    The people of North Tipperary/South Offaly are now labelled as a problem that have to be tackled? :(


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    #75
    tayto lover
    Registered Users Posts: 51,485 ✭✭✭✭tayto lover


    djpbarry wrote: »
    My point is that members of the Dail would have their reasons for not wanting to deal with them. But, they have to. In the same way, they have to deal with Lowry.

    You have to be consistent. If it is decided that Lowry should be black-listed, that opens up quite a can of worms. It seems far more logical to tackle the problem at its root - the electorate who are returning Lowry to the Dail in the first place.

    You cannot seemingly remove the "parish pump" from Irish politics. If they cannot see the problems with Lowry then what can you do ? That's why I believe the only way to get around it is for other politicians to snub him. He obviously is still doing favours for his constituents but if he cannot provide that service then they will eventually abandon him. The man is tainted.


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    #76
    Wider Road
    Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Wider Road


    djpbarry wrote: »
    tayto lover wrote: »
    Sinn Fein were not the subject of a Govt appointed Tribunal in fairness.
    My point is that members of the Dail would have their reasons for not wanting to deal with them. But, they have to. In the same way, they have to deal with Lowry.

    You have to be consistent. If it is decided that Lowry should be black-listed, that opens up quite a can of worms. It seems far more logical to tackle the problem at its root - the electorate who are returning Lowry to the Dail in the first place.



    How can you deal with "the electorate who are returning Lowry to the Dail in the first place".


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    #77
    golfball37
    Registered Users Posts: 4,513 ✭✭✭golfball37


    Wider Road wrote: »
    How can you deal with "the electorate who are returning Lowry to the Dail in the first place".

    More refereeing performances like we saw in the 2009 All Ireland final would be a good start !


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    Wider Road
    Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Wider Road


    golfball37 wrote: »
    Wider Road wrote: »
    How can you deal with "the electorate who are returning Lowry to the Dail in the first place".

    More refereeing performances like we saw in the 2009 All Ireland final would be a good start !



    That's unfair on us in South Tipp!


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    #79
    LONE WOLFF
    Registered Users Posts: 32 ✭LONE WOLFF


    Wider Road wrote: »
    That's just not true.
    Why did you decide to text that 50% love Ml Lowry? How can you back that up?
    I think you made up a figure, why?

    Sorry, that should have been 30%


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    #80
    rodento
    Registered Users Posts: 1,728 ✭✭✭rodento


    Couple of interesting articles in the papers this weekend

    Welcome to Lowryland from the times

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2012/0505/1224315639183.html?via=mr

    & Kenny lashed over affection for pal lowry form the sindo

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/john-drennan/john-drennan-kenny-lashed-over-affection-for-pal-lowry-3101491.html

    Couple of quotes from the articles
    He believed that with Denis O'Brien's new dominance of Independent Newspapers he would be getting a better press "definitely.

    One FG source told the Sunday Independent that the sharpest confrontation occurred when the Tipperary TD Noel Coonan "criticised the close attention Michael Lowry has been receiving from the Government'' and claimed "Lowry has been dominating the attention of ministers

    Kinda like this one from the times:D

    At the end of 1996, when he had to resign from the rainbow-coalition government and from the Fine Gael party, he made a long personal statement to the Dáil. He spoke about the work on his home at Holycross, in Co Tipperary, that was paid for by Dunnes Stores, and denied that the arrangement involved tax evasion. “If someone were trying to hide income, would he or she not be more likely to put it in an offshore account?” he asked.
    A few months later the McCracken tribunal, which had investigated the Dunnes payments, expressed its astonishment at what Lowry had said, given that it had examined two offshore accounts Lowry had in his own name, one with Bank of Ireland in the Isle of Man and another with an AIB subsidiary in Jersey. It had also examined a third account held in the Isle of Man in a company name that also held money for Lowry’s benefit.

    djpbarry wrote: »
    He's an elected TD - FG have to deal with him. That doesn't necessarily mean he has many friends within the party (although he probably has some). But again, it comes down to the electorate. If people don't want to see their representative being pally with Lowry, then it's up to people to let their representative know about it: "I don't approve of what Lowry's done, so keep your distance from him or you'll be losing my support."


    No they don't and according to the article in the Indo, even FG TD's are surprised at his preferential treatment


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    Wider Road
    Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Wider Road


    rodento wrote: »
    Couple of interesting articles in the papers this weekend

    Welcome to Lowryland from the times

    http://www.irishtimes.com/newspaper/weekend/2012/0505/1224315639183.html?via=mr

    & Kenny lashed over affection for pal lowry form the sindo

    http://www.independent.ie/opinion/columnists/john-drennan/john-drennan-kenny-lashed-over-affection-for-pal-lowry-3101491.html

    Couple of quotes from the articles
    He believed that with Denis O'Brien's new dominance of Independent Newspapers he would be getting a better press "definitely.

    One FG source told the Sunday Independent that the sharpest confrontation occurred when the Tipperary TD Noel Coonan "criticised the close attention Michael Lowry has been receiving from the Government'' and claimed "Lowry has been dominating the attention of ministers

    Kinda like this one from the times:D

    At the end of 1996, when he had to resign from the rainbow-coalition government and from the Fine Gael party, he made a long personal statement to the Dáil. He spoke about the work on his home at Holycross, in Co Tipperary, that was paid for by Dunnes Stores, and denied that the arrangement involved tax evasion. “If someone were trying to hide income, would he or she not be more likely to put it in an offshore account?” he asked.
    A few months later the McCracken tribunal, which had investigated the Dunnes payments, expressed its astonishment at what Lowry had said, given that it had examined two offshore accounts Lowry had in his own name, one with Bank of Ireland in the Isle of Man and another with an AIB subsidiary in Jersey. It had also examined a third account held in the Isle of Man in a company name that also held money for Lowry’s benefit.

    djpbarry wrote: »
    He's an elected TD - FG have to deal with him. That doesn't necessarily mean he has many friends within the party (although he probably has some). But again, it comes down to the electorate. If people don't want to see their representative being pally with Lowry, then it's up to people to let their representative know about it: "I don't approve of what Lowry's done, so keep your distance from him or you'll be losing my support."


    No they don't and according to the article in the Indo, even FG TD's are surprised at his preferential treatment



    Yeah, Noel Coonan FG TD in TN is upset with the Lowry factor in the current govt. What side was Coonan on during the latest FG leadership battle?


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    mikemac1
    Closed Accounts Posts: 12,395 ✭✭✭✭mikemac1


    Wider Road, he supported Enda Kenny


    Mr Coonan, Mr Invisible

    If he outworked Lowry then maybe more would vote for him and leave Team Lowry

    But he does nothing, barely ran an election campaign at all and is outworked by everyone, Máire Hoctor was more active then he was

    He's probably safe being a sitting TD but if FG give him a running mate next time he might lose to them


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    [Jackass]
    Closed Accounts Posts: 9,193 ✭✭✭[Jackass]


    FF mainstream party trying their best to look as similar to FG as possible, hoping that some of the stink surrounding them will rub off on FG, and now trying to forge links between just about the only corrupt former (and expelled) member to try and water down the sh*t storm surrounding the corrupt business party (AKA Brown Paper Bag FF).

    Lolers.


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    #84
    djpbarry
    Registered Users Posts: 13,104 ✭✭✭✭djpbarry


    mikemac1 wrote: »
    The people of North Tipperary/South Offaly are now labelled as a problem that have to be tackled?
    The idea of electing a TD solely for the purpose of local/personal gain is a problem in Irish politics. I'm not saying the electorate in Lowry's constituency are a particular problem, they're just the best example of the wider problem - knowingly electing shysters because they managed to get the road fixed.


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    Wider Road
    Registered Users Posts: 196 ✭✭Wider Road


    [Quote=[Jackass];78546178]FF mainstream party trying their best to look as similar to FG as possible, hoping that some of the stink surrounding them will rub off on FG, and now trying to forge links between just about the only corrupt former (and expelled) member to try and water down the sh*t storm surrounding the corrupt business party (AKA Brown Paper Bag FF).

    Lolers.[/Quote]


    Have you any evidence of this "FF mainstream party trying their best to look as similar to FG as possible" or did you just make it up?

    Also, What are "Lolers"?


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