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  • #32
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0805/719254-health-identifiers/

    Notwithstanding the fact that I (like everyone else) have an unique PPS number, I'm getting another number and probably a plastic card to go with it..........


  • #33
    Colm R
    Registered Users Posts: 997 ✭✭✭Colm R


    BowWow wrote: »
    http://www.rte.ie/news/2015/0805/719254-health-identifiers/

    Notwithstanding the fact that I (like everyone else) have an unique PPS number, I'm getting another number and probably a plastic card to go with it..........

    Yeah its disappointing that its not using PPS. Personally, I like the idea of a single card for all your interactions with the state, from Revenue, to Health and Social Welfare to being arrested by the cops.

    In a perfect world, there should be an online website, lets call it ireland.gov.ie, whereby you can see all your interactions with the state. So for example, if you go to a GP, and you have free GP care, the GP should be able to read the card. But all the GP should be able to learn from the card is that you do or do not have free GP care - nothing else on the card should be readable to the GP.

    Likewise, if a Garda issues you with penalty points, the Garda should do this on the card, but should not be able to learn other information such as tax credits or social welfare status and so on.

    In fact I would go further again. Say if one is to apply for a job that requires a background check, such as a childcare worker - the prospective employer should be able to request access to your criminal background. The prospective employee could then approve this on the website.

    Then, the prospective employer would be given information only that is relevant to them. Say for example, a person has been found guilty of two crimes in the past (a. Child pornography and b. speeding offenses). In this case, a creche owner would only see relevant offenses such as child pornography but not speeding offenses.


    There is no hope in hell of this being implemented because it would frighten the hell out of people. This despite the fact that it can be more secure and traceable than the current paper based system.

    As long as I, the citizen has access to my information that is held about me, but also be able to see who is able to access information about me and what they have been provided, then as far as I am concerned it is more transparent than anything else.

    If a GP stored your health information in such a manner, and you wanted to change GP, the new GP could request access to your information. Then you could get an email asking you to login and approve or deny such a request.

    When a child is born, they appear in the website of the parent until the child turns 18, when they get their own access. When a child changes school, the principal requests access to that childs records, and the parent approves it.

    When you are convicted of a crime but later found innocent of this crime you can see confirmation that this is removed from your record.

    When you start a new job, your employer requests a tax certificate for your payroll - the new employee simply approves it. No need for paper based P45 of for a new employer to know how much you earned in previous job.

    When you die - the coroner/hospital declares you dead along with the certificate which has your pps number. No more letters from revenue years later and sobbing stories in the Daily Mail about people in grief upset about letters for their dead parents.

    One unique identifier with one card.

    One online state portal with high security access and fully transparent to the citizen.


  • #34
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    Passport Card launched today :rolleyes:

    https://www.dfa.ie/news-and-media/press-releases/press-release-archive/2015/october/minister-flanagan-launches-irish-passport-card/


  • #35
    Irish Steve
    Moderators, Motoring & Transport Moderators Posts: 6,521 Mod ✭✭✭✭Irish Steve


    One online state portal with high security access and fully transparent to the citizen.

    Ah now, we can't be havin that, think of all the jobs that would no longer exist in all those over stuffed state and semi organisations, they can't reduce their head count as it is, so this would be the killer for them.

    The harsh reality is that the unions would never stand for this sort of integration, and neither would a number of related semi state bodies, as integration on this scale would once and for all expose just how much waste, corruption and fraud goes on, as well as resolving many of the other issues that are regularly highlighted as fundamental failings of the "state" systems, which in a lot of cases are no longer fit for purpose.

    I sent an E-mail request to the HSE nearly a week ago, I couldn't send it to the department I want, as they don't publish ANY E-mail addresses, and I'm still waiting for the department concerned to contact me. I had a response to confirm they'd received it, but that's as far as it's gone.

    The same situation applies to the OPW, they too don't publish E-mail addresses, so contacting the right department there is a pain!

    I've long given up on making contact with state services by phone, as too often, there's no record of the call, so no way to then go back at a later date to remind them about their total lack of response, and that's the real reason we don't have many of these services on line, if it's on line, there's no way for people to avoid being responsible for dealing with the issues raised, it's too easy to pretend that phone calls didn't happen, and there's no record of the transactions, but with E-mail, even more so than with snail mail, there is a very easy and accurate trace of what went on, and that doesn't suit the unions, as it makes it too easy for people and management to keep a much more accurate track of what's being done, and who's doing it, or, as is too often the case, who's NOT doing what they are supposed to.

    Won't happen in a long time, too many vested interests, and too few politicians with the courage to take on the unions and sort out the mess. The troika would have done it, and no one could have stopped them, but that was a bridge too far for FF, so they buckled and took whatever was required in order to avoid having to really change the system, which would have made a HUGE difference to the cost of running Ireland Inc. going forward.

    Shore, if it was easy, everybody would be doin it.😁



  • #36
    BowWow
    Registered Users Posts: 1,760 ✭✭✭BowWow


    BowWow wrote: »
    Drugs Payment Scheme Card. I'm actually not sure why these are even issued. I'm on my third or fourth. When I got the first lot, 4 of them for all the family, we presented them to our local Pharmacy. They logged them on their system. The actual cards have not had to be presented to anybody since. The info could have been in a letter. On the few occasions we have bought Prescription Drugs in a different Pharmacy we have paid for them and claimed a refund if over the monthly amount.


    Got a letter this morning with our new Drugs Payment Scheme Cards. These are identical (except for expiry date) to the last ones we got 5 years ago. Brought them to local Pharmacy, he noted expiry date on his system and gave me back the cards. Now put in drawer replacing the 5 year old cards. Surely a letter would have sufficed? A total waste of money!!


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  • #37
    plodder
    Registered Users Posts: 7,120 ✭✭✭plodder


    BowWow wrote: »
    Got a letter this morning with our new Drugs Payment Scheme Cards. These are identical (except for expiry date) to the last ones we got 5 years ago. Brought them to local Pharmacy, he noted expiry date on his system and gave me back the cards. Now put in drawer replacing the 5 year old cards. Surely a letter would have sufficed? A total waste of money!!
    I guess the idea was that you could use the card in any pharmacy, but I'm not sure how that worked out. Last time I checked you had to stick to the one outlet. Also, I remember when we got those cards first, we got EHIC cards at the same time. In a family of five, that was ten cards to mind, just for the health service. Fairly ridiculous really.


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