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**unkel** · 12-09-2002, 12:51

Cost comparison UTVip and Eircon ADSL: (all in € incl VAT)

Setup costs(€)

UTVip 0.00
Eircon ADSL 375.10

Monthly costs(€)

UTVip 29.99
Eircon ADSL 107.69

CAP for subscription

UTVip 4.1GB*
Eircon ADSL 3.0GB

Additional GB (€)
UTVip 20.75**
Eircon ADSL 37.17

* Single ISDN 8KB/s => 4320000 KB/150hours
SHOCKER!!

**0,0095€/min & 8KB/s =>20.75€/GB

NOTE: UTVip also means discount of 25% off all phone calls compared to Eircon's rates - only benefit of Eircon is faster surf and download speed

Goodbye Eircon, I signed up for UTVip last Saturday

dahamsta · 12-09-2002, 13:15

I don't have the brainpower to check the math this morning: Can someone confirm this is right? If it is, IrelandOffline should fire off a press release to the usual suspects. The Reg trips over it's tongue for stuff like this.

adam

strat · 12-09-2002, 13:29

i think this person is getting confised with eircons dsl and utv's 'flat rate' with isdn

isdn isnt broadband tbh

Kenshin · 12-09-2002, 13:31

He's not getting confused, he's comparing those two services, bytewise...

Very good post, unkel

strat · 12-09-2002, 13:36

Quote:

Originally posted by Lord of Terror
He's not getting confused, he's comparing those two services, bytewise...

erm yes but thats like comparing a cow with an apple

koneko · 12-09-2002, 13:55

Stratty is right.

56k flat-rate although cheaper is considerably slower than ADSL. You can't compare GB downloads. We all know how frikkin slow 56k can get on download.

You can say in theory you can get a certain amount of kb/sec on 56k, but would that actually happen? Doubt it.

I think the UTV one is a good enough offer, but I'm still not liking the time restrictions and the fact it's STILL 56k.

SkepticOne · 12-09-2002, 14:01

Quote:

Originally posted by koneko
I think the UTV one is a good enough offer, but I'm still not liking the time restrictions and the fact it's STILL 56k.

and ISDN. The UTV offer is very good under the circumstances in which they have to operate, but ISDN can never compete with broadband.

spongebob · 12-09-2002, 14:02

Unkels figures are spot on and well presented.

Here in the E-Tub of Europe ®®©™® we actually compare nappies to welding torches as well. This is after all the country where journalists think that IDSN is Broadband and are prepared to admit it live on the radio too.

Unkels figures are an ISDN to ADSL comparison.

He then correctly calculates the real cost of the Eircom ADSL product, cap and all, and show that you would download more in 150Hrs with UTV on IDSN, the UTV cap if you like is time not volume based.

Then he shows clearly what happens after the respective caps have been exceeded to show that per minute with UTV is still cheaper than per MB (their pricing method) with Eircom for a given slab of data.

Then you brought cows into it and I brouight welding torches in as well.

M

Kenshin · 12-09-2002, 14:10

It shows that a narrowband technology such as ISDN is cheaper for downloading gigs of things than a BROADBAND technology such as ADSL...
And yes, I've downloaded gigs in under a month with my 56k modem.

SkepticOne · 12-09-2002, 14:18

Quote:

Originally posted by Muck

Unkels figures are an ISDN to ADSL comparison.

He then correctly calculates the real cost of the Eircom ADSL product, cap and all, and show that you would download more in 150Hrs with UTV on IDSN, the UTV cap if you like is time not volume based.

The interesting thing is that ADSL should be much cheaper per megabyte than ISDN since ADSL is more efficient and the IP traffic is drawn off at the exchange level. It is only in the distorted world of Irish internet access that we have the current situation.

**unkel** · 12-09-2002, 16:11

more maths...

now comparing same single line ISDN 64k to Eircon's UNCAPPED ADSL for break-even:

You need to download more than 15GB/mth for Eircon's service to be cheaper***

*** based on 1 year contract @204.49/mth + install @199.65 and equipment @326.70 (all incl VAT)
(the 15GB goes down to 14GB based on 2 years and 13GB based on 3 years) This does not compensate for loss of interest / opportunity costs incurred with the heavy upfront investment in Eircon's ADSL

With UTVip,

If you download 12GB/mth you save €653 per year
If you download 10GB/mth you save €1150 per year
If you download 6.6GB/mth you save €2000 per year
If you download 4.1GB/mth or less you save €2600 per year

I reckon a lot of us are somewhere between these four figures. A m8 of mine in the Netherlands who downloads everything and anything on his 1536/256 uncapped cable (€39/mth) rarely reaches 15GB/mth

P.S. I don't work for UTV or have any relationship with them whatsoever apart from signing up with them last Saturday. I just don't want to be overcharged. I would be delighted with any broadband service at reasonable cost being available to me in this country

NeoSlicerZ · 12-09-2002, 16:13

0_o

ISDN is more cost efficent than ADSL , god , no adsl for me untill it's cheaper , i can live with isdn on UTVip

El_MUERkO · 12-09-2002, 16:24

There is a once off connection charge for UTVip of €30

macronot · 12-09-2002, 16:33

Quote:

Originally posted by El_MUERkO
There is a once off connection charge for UTVip of €30

I think if you join now it is waived. Some time in November it becomes active

**unkel** · 12-09-2002, 16:39

No connection charge until next year:

http://www.utvip.com/products.asp?f=0.111777

Even more for your money! Until the 31st December 2002, new customers to UTVip can sign up free of charge with the standard sign-up fee of €30 waived. Subscribe today to take advantage of this special offer!There is a once off connection charge for UTVip of €30

12-09-2002, 12:51	#1
unkel �V�monos! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lucan Posts: 22,800 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Classic Cars, Dublin County West	UTVip vs Eircom ADSL CAPS and Costs Cost comparison UTVip and Eircon ADSL: (all in € incl VAT) Setup costs(€) UTVip 0.00 Eircon ADSL 375.10 Monthly costs(€) UTVip 29.99 Eircon ADSL 107.69 CAP for subscription UTVip 4.1GB* Eircon ADSL 3.0GB Additional GB (€) UTVip 20.75** Eircon ADSL 37.17 * Single ISDN 8KB/s => 4320000 KB/150hours SHOCKER!! **0,0095€/min & 8KB/s =>20.75€/GB NOTE: UTVip also means discount of 25% off all phone calls compared to Eircon's rates - only benefit of Eircon is faster surf and download speed Goodbye Eircon, I signed up for UTVip last Saturday

12-09-2002, 14:02	#8
spongebob Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 6,082 Adverts \| Friends	but of COURSE stratagist my dear fellow. Unkels figures are spot on and well presented. Here in the E-Tub of Europe ®®©™® we actually compare nappies to welding torches as well. This is after all the country where journalists think that IDSN is Broadband and are prepared to admit it live on the radio too. Unkels figures are an ISDN to ADSL comparison. He then correctly calculates the real cost of the Eircom ADSL product, cap and all, and show that you would download more in 150Hrs with UTV on IDSN, the UTV cap if you like is time not volume based. Then he shows clearly what happens after the respective caps have been exceeded to show that per minute with UTV is still cheaper than per MB (their pricing method) with Eircom for a given slab of data. Then you brought cows into it and I brouight welding torches in as well. M

12-09-2002, 16:11	#11
unkel �V�monos! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lucan Posts: 22,800 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Classic Cars, Dublin County West	more maths... now comparing same single line ISDN 64k to Eircon's UNCAPPED ADSL for break-even: You need to download more than 15GB/mth for Eircon's service to be cheaper* * based on 1 year contract @204.49/mth + install @199.65 and equipment @326.70 (all incl VAT) (the 15GB goes down to 14GB based on 2 years and 13GB based on 3 years) This does not compensate for loss of interest / opportunity costs incurred with the heavy upfront investment in Eircon's ADSL With UTVip, If you download 12GB/mth you save €653 per year If you download 10GB/mth you save €1150 per year If you download 6.6GB/mth you save €2000 per year If you download 4.1GB/mth or less you save €2600 per year I reckon a lot of us are somewhere between these four figures. A m8 of mine in the Netherlands who downloads everything and anything on his 1536/256 uncapped cable (€39/mth) rarely reaches 15GB/mth P.S. I don't work for UTV or have any relationship with them whatsoever apart from signing up with them last Saturday. I just don't want to be overcharged. I would be delighted with any broadband service at reasonable cost being available to me in this country Last edited by unkel; 12-09-2002 at 16:17.

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12-09-2002, 13:15	#2
dahamsta Banned Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: The Internet Posts: 16,324 Adverts \| Friends	I don't have the brainpower to check the math this morning: Can someone confirm this is right? If it is, IrelandOffline should fire off a press release to the usual suspects. The Reg trips over it's tongue for stuff like this. adam

12-09-2002, 13:29	#3
strat Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: yore ma's house Posts: 2,869 Adverts \| Friends	i think this person is getting confised with eircons dsl and utv's 'flat rate' with isdn isdn isnt broadband tbh

12-09-2002, 13:31	#4
Kenshin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dublin Posts: 187 Adverts \| Friends	He's not getting confused, he's comparing those two services, bytewise... Very good post, unkel

12-09-2002, 13:55	#6
koneko Registered User Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: notDublin Posts: 9,331 Adverts \| Friends	Stratty is right. 56k flat-rate although cheaper is considerably slower than ADSL. You can't compare GB downloads. We all know how frikkin slow 56k can get on download. You can say in theory you can get a certain amount of kb/sec on 56k, but would that actually happen? Doubt it. I think the UTV one is a good enough offer, but I'm still not liking the time restrictions and the fact it's STILL 56k.

12-09-2002, 14:10	#9
Kenshin Registered User Join Date: Jan 2002 Location: Dublin Posts: 187 Adverts \| Friends	It shows that a narrowband technology such as ISDN is cheaper for downloading gigs of things than a BROADBAND technology such as ADSL... And yes, I've downloaded gigs in under a month with my 56k modem.

12-09-2002, 16:13	#12
NeoSlicerZ Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: Nowhere Posts: 2,241 Adverts \| Friends	0_o ISDN is more cost efficent than ADSL , god , no adsl for me untill it's cheaper , i can live with isdn on UTVip

12-09-2002, 16:24	#13
El_MUERkO Registered User Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: London, England Posts: 749 Adverts \| Friends	There is a once off connection charge for UTVip of €30

12-09-2002, 16:39	#15
unkel �V�monos! Join Date: Nov 2001 Location: Lucan Posts: 22,800 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Classic Cars, Dublin County West	No connection charge until next year: http://www.utvip.com/products.asp?f=0.111777 Even more for your money! Until the 31st December 2002, new customers to UTVip can sign up free of charge with the standard sign-up fee of €30 waived. Subscribe today to take advantage of this special offer!There is a once off connection charge for UTVip of €30