Jane Suiter Is Now "On Message"

mike65 · 01-12-2002, 12:08

Jane Suiter writing in todays Sunday Times sems to have taken our campaign to heart and head. The article in todays paper is to the point and clearly shows the failure of broadband so far in Ireland
because of pricing and indeed will, on eircoms part.

Another small victory.

Mike.

SkepticOne · 01-12-2002, 12:17

Well done, Jane.

PiE · 01-12-2002, 13:40

Hurrah! :]

Any chance of a link/scan?

mike65 · 01-12-2002, 14:10

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,5,00.html

Everything except Suiters article.

Mike.

Paddy20 · 01-12-2002, 14:21

I hope the article is good, and I hate to point out, He, He, but I did ask that you " Give Jane a chance to put matters right " in my last post to OHP on 24/11/2002 at 23.30pm.

Anyway, as I have not read the NEW article, anyone know of a LINK?, Please.

Yours,

Paddy20

topgold · 01-12-2002, 14:33

"If Ireland is to compete as a global player, it will need the technology at a price it can afford," writes Jane Suiter in the business section of The Sunday Times on December 1, 2002.

I've blogged that several times.

[..]

Internet users are so familiar with the rhetoric they could put it to music. Ireland, we are promised, is to become an e-commerce hub, a veritable digital oasis. In this brave new e-society we will move in seamless fashion from manufacturing high-tech equipment and software to digital distribution of goods and services via a digital hub strategically placed between Europe and the US.

The reality, as usual, is different. Years after this vision was first outlined to a sceptical public, Ireland is still an effective wasteland for broadband services while domestic and small business charges are ammong the highest in Europe. Ireland is slipping inexorably down the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development league tables for wired societies and up the league tables for cost.

Fewer than 2,000 people in Ireland use broadband services, a figure put down to the failure on the part of government to tackle the cost of provision.

[..]

excerpted from The Sunday Times Business Features 3-7, December 1, 2002

Dangger · 01-12-2002, 15:11

Its a very comprehensive piece, an excellent article and I'm grateful to Jane for contacting us for comments for it, and for following up in such a thorough manner to the letters from IOFFL members about her first piece on ADSL.

Dangger · 01-12-2002, 15:36

Also grateful for the last word!

Quote:

Even as the pricing and access arguments stack up, Eircom maintains that the public simply has little interest in broadband.

In particular, Eircom cites the absence of a "killer application" as the prime reason for the low take-up. The company says the carrot of "always on" e-mail and speedy downloads is simply not enough for most people.

Critics dismiss this line of argument. David Long, chairman of lobby group Ireland offline, says: "There is no single killer application and never will be. To speak of one and say it is needed is flawed." There are, he says, a multitude of "killer" applications already available in several guises for different markets.

Fallschirmjager · 02-12-2002, 11:33

i always said she knew her stuff, i always said it DIDNT I DIDNT I...ok i didnt and i said she was a wee bit crap....

but at least i have the chestnuts to say sorry...

good for you miss Suiter....

spongebob · 02-12-2002, 11:45

well done Jane , nicely balanced article.
would any journo like to tackle the Pairgain scandal in Rural Ireland.......start off by taking a few pictures of the boxes and headline the article with

"Have you seen one of these on a Pole near you"

followed by

"If so you are being ripped off by Eircom. You are being charged full line rental for as little as a quarter of a 'real' line. These boxes are used to share lines because it is simpler than running a real cable back to the exchange for you. You will NEVER get Broadband as long as the Pairgain is on your line"

They are illegal now but Eircom have done nothing about removing them.

How bout a Sunday Times campaign on the great Irish Line Rental Ripoff ?

M

daveirl · 02-12-2002, 22:44

Great Article! I think we can safely say that Ms. Suiter has been re-educated!

I saw in an article in the Indo about Irish teleworkers. There is an Irish teleworkers association or something. Anyone know anything about this?

spongebob · 02-12-2002, 23:43

Quote:

Originally posted by daveirl
Great Article! I think we can safely say that Ms. Suiter has been re-educated!

I saw in an article in the Indo about Irish teleworkers. There is an Irish teleworkers association or something. Anyone know anything about this?

been around years, head based in Scarriff Co. Clare ISTR

daveirl · 03-12-2002, 00:02

Quote:

Originally posted by Muck
been around years, head based in Scarriff Co. Clare ISTR

Have they done anything? The article was glowing! Pity we couldn't get an article of that size about us.

Front Page, Sunday Independent Business Section 01-12-2002 for anyone who is looking for it.

highlight · 03-12-2002, 10:41

They're not in Scariff. Try www.telework.ie

spongebob · 03-12-2002, 11:13

The Chair IS in Scariff Co. Clare as I Recalled. She was chair of it this time 6 years ago too ISTR

M

01-12-2002, 12:08	#1
mike65 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: waterford Posts: 49,391 Adverts \| Friends	Jane Suiter Is Now "On Message" Jane Suiter writing in todays Sunday Times sems to have taken our campaign to heart and head. The article in todays paper is to the point and clearly shows the failure of broadband so far in Ireland because of pricing and indeed will, on eircoms part. Another small victory. Mike. __________________ European Cups are like houses - ultimately it's better to own than to rent.

01-12-2002, 14:10	#4
mike65 Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Location: waterford Posts: 49,391 Adverts \| Friends	http://www.timesonline.co.uk/section/0,,5,00.html Everything except Suiters article. Mike. __________________ European Cups are like houses - ultimately it's better to own than to rent.

01-12-2002, 14:21	#5
Paddy20 Banned Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Donegal, Posts: 3,657 Adverts \| Friends	Jane Suiters article in "The Sunday Times" ??... I hope the article is good, and I hate to point out, He, He, but I did ask that you " Give Jane a chance to put matters right " in my last post to OHP on 24/11/2002 at 23.30pm. Anyway, as I have not read the NEW article, anyone know of a LINK?, Please. Yours, Paddy20

02-12-2002, 11:33	#9
Fallschirmjager Registered User Join Date: Mar 2002 Posts: 2,778 Adverts \| Friends	i always said she knew her stuff, i always said it DIDNT I DIDNT I...ok i didnt and i said she was a wee bit crap.... but at least i have the chestnuts to say sorry... good for you miss Suiter.... __________________ A government big enough to give you everything you want, is strong enough to take everything you have. - Thomas Jefferson

02-12-2002, 22:44	#11
daveirl Registered User Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Cork, Ireland Posts: 14,048 Adverts \| Friends	Great Article! I think we can safely say that Ms. Suiter has been re-educated! I saw in an article in the Indo about Irish teleworkers. There is an Irish teleworkers association or something. Anyone know anything about this? __________________ .

01-12-2002, 12:17	#2
SkepticOne Registered User Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 5,480 Adverts \| Friends	Well done, Jane.

01-12-2002, 13:40	#3
PiE Registered User Join Date: Feb 2001 Location: EH10 Posts: 5,291 Adverts \| Friends	Hurrah! :] Any chance of a link/scan?

01-12-2002, 14:33	#6
topgold Registered User Join Date: Jun 2000 Location: Kilkenny, Ireland Posts: 171 Adverts \| Friends	"If Ireland is to compete as a global player, it will need the technology at a price it can afford," writes Jane Suiter in the business section of The Sunday Times on December 1, 2002. I've blogged that several times. [..] Internet users are so familiar with the rhetoric they could put it to music. Ireland, we are promised, is to become an e-commerce hub, a veritable digital oasis. In this brave new e-society we will move in seamless fashion from manufacturing high-tech equipment and software to digital distribution of goods and services via a digital hub strategically placed between Europe and the US. The reality, as usual, is different. Years after this vision was first outlined to a sceptical public, Ireland is still an effective wasteland for broadband services while domestic and small business charges are ammong the highest in Europe. Ireland is slipping inexorably down the Organisation for Economic Cooperation and Development league tables for wired societies and up the league tables for cost. Fewer than 2,000 people in Ireland use broadband services, a figure put down to the failure on the part of government to tackle the cost of provision. [..] excerpted from The Sunday Times Business Features 3-7, December 1, 2002

01-12-2002, 15:11	#7
Dangger Registered User Join Date: May 2001 Posts: 745 Adverts \| Friends	Its a very comprehensive piece, an excellent article and I'm grateful to Jane for contacting us for comments for it, and for following up in such a thorough manner to the letters from IOFFL members about her first piece on ADSL.

02-12-2002, 11:45	#10
spongebob Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 6,082 Adverts \| Friends	well done Jane , nicely balanced article. would any journo like to tackle the Pairgain scandal in Rural Ireland.......start off by taking a few pictures of the boxes and headline the article with "Have you seen one of these on a Pole near you" followed by "If so you are being ripped off by Eircom. You are being charged full line rental for as little as a quarter of a 'real' line. These boxes are used to share lines because it is simpler than running a real cable back to the exchange for you. You will NEVER get Broadband as long as the Pairgain is on your line" They are illegal now but Eircom have done nothing about removing them. How bout a Sunday Times campaign on the great Irish Line Rental Ripoff ? M

03-12-2002, 10:41	#14
highlight Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 96 Adverts \| Friends	They're not in Scariff. Try www.telework.ie

03-12-2002, 11:13	#15
spongebob Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Posts: 6,082 Adverts \| Friends	did you read the website b4 u posted that ? The Chair IS in Scariff Co. Clare as I Recalled. She was chair of it this time 6 years ago too ISTR M

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