Young Scientist ot Year - ya wha ? - Page 10

Phier · 16-01-2003, 13:04

apologies if this site has been posted already but i dont have time to read all the posts just yet.

http://www.enn.ie/ffocus.html?code=8893512

might shed a small bit of light on the whole thing.

ozpass · 16-01-2003, 13:09

EDIT

Oops, this post was supposed to go here:

http://www.boards.ie/vbulletin/showt...threadid=76962

Hence I've removed the content as it was a non-sequiteur to the point of being bizarre and disturbing when presented here!

/EDIT

Damian · 17-01-2003, 10:02

I've heard some crazy things in my time, but this notion that a Microsoft monopoly is good for competition, and that the 'theiving commie' open source movement costs jobs had to be the craziest yet.

Are you taking the p*ss?

Not even Microsoft would try this arguement!

parasite · 17-01-2003, 10:29

jobs taken from MS etc., could be transferred to open source companies, no? it's a constant flux, do you think MS should be artificially sustained ?
it's MS's fault surely, if their products worked as promised, they wouldn't be losing market share

sutty · 17-01-2003, 11:14

Get back on topic lads....

Also YES they are taking the piss. use some copon.

Damian · 17-01-2003, 11:37

Scare thing is, I don't think that they are taking the piss.

Are you dahamsta and Eth0 ?

**naitkris** · 17-01-2003, 11:51

come on get back to the topic as sutty said - move your Microsoft / Linux debate elsewhere!

any news from the kid himself yet? anyone know? that's what I am waiting for so that it can clear up all these unanswered questions many of us have...

**GoneShootin** · 17-01-2003, 11:53

lol...do ye not see the trolls when they are begging for feeding before your very eyes ?

GUI · 17-01-2003, 15:45

Quote:

it's MS's fault surely, if their products worked as promised, they wouldn't be losing market share

there server products do work as advertised,
stop talking crap..

the argument these days is about using open source alternative to commerical software from msft

sutty · 17-01-2003, 17:15

FFS, get back on topic, this is a crap troll.

Has anyone heard anything else about this guy? found a site about his project... any of that?

PiE · 18-01-2003, 15:16

Quote:

Originally posted by sutty
FFS, get back on topic, this is a crap troll.

It worked didn't it? :]

Eh... I don't really care what the kid has done. If it was revolutionary as some reports have said, he'd have sold it to GiantMegaGlobaCorp for a small countrys GNP by now.

ozmo1 · 20-01-2003, 22:41

Lots of Info....... inc some info on how he did it...

(note: some of the above info - I posted last week on comp.ie - but no-one seems to read that any more)

I got to speak with Adnan (the guy who won) on Saturday at the exibition amongst a crowd while he was demonstrating the software.

It was a very "graphically enhanced" type interface - XBox logos etc - runs only as fixed 800x600 (?) window- which didnt look sizable (?).
Not my kind of thing - kind of like browsing inside an WinXP Media Player 8/9.
This window splits up into different panes - one for Searches, one for DVD etc.

Searches feature looked useful - and ran fast - but as the cgi interfaces to the smaller web search engines
tend to change often I dont know how long all the searches will work for.

DVD player was an embedded windows media player in a tiny window. I dont know how useful this is really as it still does take up a lot of the screen space, and who looks at films while on the web?
DVD's are NOT streamed over the web as has been suggested in some accounts - it is simply a MS Media Player embedded. (I think it was Media Player 7 as it displayed the 3 coloured boxes while it was loading).

- Windows are docked panes (like the Search built into IE) - not the overlaping (MDI) multiple-document-interface.

A few windows could be called up to give some low level access to the html and searches.

The main thing I was interested in was the 4x to 6x speed increases.
He told me DCU took it and tried in on their networks and they tested it to run at between 2x and 4x "depending on
the Network setup".

The tests were how fast a web page takes to fully load
on IE vs XWEBS - not pure download speeds of a file.

***
He said he allowed 300 downloads

of the Software from his site over the week before closing the site (when he decided to put a patent on it I suppose) - *** so if any of you have a copy
- please share it on p2p or leave a link so claims can really be evaluated.

Looks like he put a lot of effort put into this. & 5 companies contacted him so far - Eircon was one (so i suppose they could advertise a dodgy 5xSpeed 56K as well as their so called "High Speed" lines)

How did he do it?? Well there was a lot of jargon thrown around about broadband servers and such (how that related to POTS lines I dont know) but the apparent speed is by
several methods -
* One is by making a more direct connection to the servers, by-passing Winsock as if it was on a Lan.
* Another is by every request after the First is made with a Higher Priority So index.html gets normal priority and all other items that make up the page get a High priority.

This I dont like -as its just speeding up pages by skipping other surfers in the queue for server items.

The guy himself was friendly and eager to display his applicaton. He didnt seem capable of describing exactly how it all worked in a normal technical way - but maybe this was because he had described it all so many times before...

As a project - it was probably the most underdescribed project I saw there - Two A4 pages in large, but unreadable font, stuck
to a board.
Waffly, Completly non-technical description caliming 4 speed downloads (with no proof, graphs or comparisons), skinnable interface(but only one displayed), DVD and media player (types not named) web searches(engines not described or named). Nil points for clarity. A extremly poorly presented project.

Fair play to the guy for his coding abilities though on the app itseld. A nice looking app, written in C++, that looked stable. And f it is all smoke and mirrors - it was 12 UCD judges that were fooled.

I have his email address - but not his web site. He is known
as "legacy" or "leagacy" on the web.

ozmo.

longword · 21-01-2003, 00:35

Quote:

Originally posted by ozmo1
Lots of Info....... inc some info on how he did it...

To me as a programmer, that still sounds like a game of buzzword bingo.

daveirl · 21-01-2003, 10:22

Karlin has more info today - http://radio.weblogs.com/0103966/2003/01/20.html#a1265

Also she is going to be interviewing him herself!

Quote:

This week, I promise a more complete picture on the Xwebs browser and the student who wrote it, 16 year old Adnan Osmani. I'll be talking to Adnan, and I have been talking to some of the judges and other people who saw the browser.

zynaps · 21-01-2003, 18:34

Quote:

and I have been talking to some of the judges and other people who saw the browser.

This is almost becoming an urban legend the way people are talking

Burns:Hmm? What? Oh, and by that I mean, of course, it's time for the "Worker of the Week Award". I can't believe we've overlooked this week's winner for so very, very long. We simply could not function without his tireless efforts. So, a round of applause for...this inanimate carbon rod!
...
Homer: Stupid carbon rod. It's all just a popularity contest!
Bart: Wow! Did you actually get to _see_ the rod?

zynaps

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16-01-2003, 13:04	#136
Phier Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 100 Adverts \| Friends	apologies if this site has been posted already but i dont have time to read all the posts just yet. http://www.enn.ie/ffocus.html?code=8893512 might shed a small bit of light on the whole thing.

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Damian Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 58 Adverts \| Friends	I've heard some crazy things in my time, but this notion that a Microsoft monopoly is good for competition, and that the 'theiving commie' open source movement costs jobs had to be the craziest yet. Are you taking the p*ss? Not even Microsoft would try this arguement!

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parasite Registered User Join Date: Oct 2002 Posts: 1,592 Adverts \| Friends	jobs taken from MS etc., could be transferred to open source companies, no? it's a constant flux, do you think MS should be artificially sustained ? it's MS's fault surely, if their products worked as promised, they wouldn't be losing market share

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Damian Registered User Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Dublin, Ireland Posts: 58 Adverts \| Friends	Scare thing is, I don't think that they are taking the piss. Are you dahamsta and Eth0 ?

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naitkris Moderator Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Cork / Dublin Posts: 641 Adverts \| Friends Mod: Nordic	come on get back to the topic as sutty said - move your Microsoft / Linux debate elsewhere! any news from the kid himself yet? anyone know? that's what I am waiting for so that it can clear up all these unanswered questions many of us have...

20-01-2003, 22:41	#147
ozmo1 Registered User Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Dublin Posts: 7 Adverts \| Friends	Lots of Info....... inc some info on how he did it... (note: some of the above info - I posted last week on comp.ie - but no-one seems to read that any more) I got to speak with Adnan (the guy who won) on Saturday at the exibition amongst a crowd while he was demonstrating the software. It was a very "graphically enhanced" type interface - XBox logos etc - runs only as fixed 800x600 (?) window- which didnt look sizable (?). Not my kind of thing - kind of like browsing inside an WinXP Media Player 8/9. This window splits up into different panes - one for Searches, one for DVD etc. Searches feature looked useful - and ran fast - but as the cgi interfaces to the smaller web search engines tend to change often I dont know how long all the searches will work for. DVD player was an embedded windows media player in a tiny window. I dont know how useful this is really as it still does take up a lot of the screen space, and who looks at films while on the web? DVD's are NOT streamed over the web as has been suggested in some accounts - it is simply a MS Media Player embedded. (I think it was Media Player 7 as it displayed the 3 coloured boxes while it was loading). - Windows are docked panes (like the Search built into IE) - not the overlaping (MDI) multiple-document-interface. A few windows could be called up to give some low level access to the html and searches. The main thing I was interested in was the 4x to 6x speed increases. He told me DCU took it and tried in on their networks and they tested it to run at between 2x and 4x "depending on the Network setup". The tests were how fast a web page takes to fully load on IE vs XWEBS - not pure download speeds of a file. * He said he allowed 300 downloads of the Software from his site over the week before closing the site (when he decided to put a patent on it I suppose) - * so if any of you have a copy - please share it on p2p or leave a link so claims can really be evaluated. Looks like he put a lot of effort put into this. & 5 companies contacted him so far - Eircon was one (so i suppose they could advertise a dodgy 5xSpeed 56K as well as their so called "High Speed" lines) How did he do it?? Well there was a lot of jargon thrown around about broadband servers and such (how that related to POTS lines I dont know) but the apparent speed is by several methods - * One is by making a more direct connection to the servers, by-passing Winsock as if it was on a Lan. * Another is by every request after the First is made with a Higher Priority So index.html gets normal priority and all other items that make up the page get a High priority. This I dont like -as its just speeding up pages by skipping other surfers in the queue for server items. The guy himself was friendly and eager to display his applicaton. He didnt seem capable of describing exactly how it all worked in a normal technical way - but maybe this was because he had described it all so many times before... As a project - it was probably the most underdescribed project I saw there - Two A4 pages in large, but unreadable font, stuck to a board. Waffly, Completly non-technical description caliming 4 speed downloads (with no proof, graphs or comparisons), skinnable interface(but only one displayed), DVD and media player (types not named) web searches(engines not described or named). Nil points for clarity. A extremly poorly presented project. Fair play to the guy for his coding abilities though on the app itseld. A nice looking app, written in C++, that looked stable. And f it is all smoke and mirrors - it was 12 UCD judges that were fooled. I have his email address - but not his web site. He is known as "legacy" or "leagacy" on the web. ozmo.