League of Legends (LoL) General Chat Thread

ZorbaTehZ wrote: »

I cant help but think that Riot really ****ed the jungle up so much now, they keep talking about versatility but now it has had the opposite effect.

If you gave me a euro for every year a few million Internet Game Balance Professionals said this i'd have about 5 euro.

I would have thought it's offset by taking them longer to clear no?

I know fid takes longer.

ZorbaTehZ wrote: »

The point Im making is that there was more balance before the changes, you had more choice in what jungler you could realistically pick. Now you have a situation where one jungler (Warwick) has a 58% win rate in solo-queue. So the jungle is empirically ****ed.

I'm also not sure exactly what was dramatic about my post... Riot have failed with their changes and in a very grand way - this is the preseason and it wont have a significant effect as stated, but it is still is a failure.

Is this your first LoL pre-season? Try to treat it as essentially a live beta.
They have written a lot of good blog posts about their reasoning behind the changes so I would suggest reading them.
Nothing has failed. They have created a new starting point from which they have more levers to pull when it comes to balance. Yes, one champ is significantly stronger than before but they will address that. The effect has been exaggerated because the jungle is a much tougher place for those junglers that have no way to sustain or mitigate damage (Fiddle, Xin, Panth and Udyr are all also doing very well for themselves currently).

What's the optimal path through the jungle now and which smite buff is best to be used when clearing ?
Are people doing Gromp or the Krugs early....to get the poison / stun buff ?

Am I correct in assuming you can only have 1 of these smite buffs active at a time ? (not had a real chance to play yet)

Krugs or Gromp start with a smite skipping the large camp. Depends on the champ and side your playing on. If i was red side i wouldn't want my top laner helping me with Krugs and going late to lane and being at an XP disadvantage. I would start Gromp in that case and get the leash from my bot lane. If i was playing Warwick or Fiddle i would just start on blue since as mentioned above, they can do that and sustain well thus the reason they are strong at the moment.

On a champ that can't sustain pathing would be...

Krugs(S) > Raptors > Red(S)
Gromp(S) > Wolves > Red(S)

Smite enemy wolves
Smite your own raptors

Unless i am on a mana hungry champ I put less emphasis on blue since all camps give the same XP. Plus after a 3-4 camp start plus a gank or two your gonna be backing anyway, then you can take your blue i suppose, or donate it

ZorbaTehZ wrote: »

The point Im making is that there was more balance before the changes, you had more choice in what jungler you could realistically pick. Now you have a situation where one jungler (Warwick) has a 58% win rate in solo-queue. So the jungle is empirically ****ed.

I'm also not sure exactly what was dramatic about my post... Riot have failed with their changes and in a very grand way - this is the preseason and it wont have a significant effect as stated, but it is still is a failure.

You sound like someone that has just started playing LoL last week. Its always like this when there are radical changes, in all online games, with time and some adjustments it will slowly become more balanced.

n1ck wrote: »

I don't understand how anyone can say they failed really, it's the preseason and if everything stayed the same the game would be so stale and boring, I for one am delighted they changed it as I actually find myself wanting to play it again.

i completely agree, there will still be big changes in the future, they are already looking at changing how smite works, and the different buff from the large monsters. So give it time, to be honest i think it is a lot more interesting now.

People can optimize their play styles, counter jungle, defensive jung etc. what i don't want to see happening is one style of jungling come out on top. as we will see limited champs in the role, and a lot less diversity. So lets hope this doesn't happen, and what they set out to do is actually pulled off

Anyone watching IEM ? UOL are unreal.

Just like M5 were back in the day.

Second pre-season patch and it's pretty big: 4.21

Includes Warwick nerfs and devourer nerfs

Blood....Moon....Thresh.....want...so bad !

But I only got his Championship skin recently

I didn't try her in the new jungle till after she was buffed but she clears decent. With Smite on first camp its just about to come off cooldown at the third. Feels like her W is doing more damage now, and it also counts as an auto attack for proc'ing the Krug stun faster. In truth most junglers that don't have sustain or a shielding effect "struggle" in the jungle at the moment, or atleast on their first clear. Her mana sustain before buffs i felt was really bad but its so much better now. Her base mana was increased by close to 90% and i think machete or the upgrade to it give's mp5 while in combat with creeps. I donated every blue buff in both games i played.

On both games I ran
AS Quints
AS Reds
Armour Yellows
Scaling MR Blues

Only because of my rune pages it was the best set up i could pick from for both games. Could make a case for Movespeed quints as once you land her Q its very hard to shake Sejuani off. Would stick with AS reds because the Krug buff is just so good for jungle survival.

Mid tier jungler imo.

Actually as i look at my mastery page now i went 28/2/0 :pac: An old-jungle Diana build. Was decent enough though. No wonder her clears where better than i expected.

On-Hit Diana Jungle?!!?

I played jungle AP Diana last season and enjoyed it but it wasn't strong by any stretch of the imagination. Very weak 1-5 and i would have to stay in the jungle and farm to stack the AP jungle item. But discovered On-Hit Diana this season. Her first clear is very strong. Taking very little damage with the shield from W and her increased AS and AoE damage from her passive works so well in the current jungle. Obviously again a very weak 1-5 but considering her clears and sustain level 6 comes faster than most that cant sustain the jungle.

In my game before posting this i finished the game 25/5/10. I got to a point where i didn't need to land my Q to engage. I just used R and went ham. Super fun, super strong. Move over Vi! I got a new jungle main! :pac:

YouSavedMyLife wrote: »

On-Hit Diana Jungle?!!?

I played jungle AP Diana last season and enjoyed it but it wasn't strong by any stretch of the imagination. Very weak 1-5 and i would have to stay in the jungle and farm to stack the AP jungle item. But discovered On-Hit Diana this season. Her first clear is very strong. Taking very little damage with the shield from W and her increased AS and AoE damage from her passive works so well in the current jungle. Obviously again a very weak 1-5 but considering her clears and sustain level 6 comes faster than most that cant sustain the jungle.

In my game before posting this i finished the game 25/5/10. I got to a point where i didn't need to land my Q to engage. I just used R and went ham. Super fun, super strong. Move over Vi! I got a new jungle main! :pac:

How do you build her in term of items, masteries and runes? Was thinking of trying her myself as I'm going to try some non fotm picks this year in jungle.

My Sejuani experiment is still going well. Have played her in ranked 13 times, won 7 and lost 6. Even in the games I lost I did pretty well to be honest and lost about 3 to afk and troll. Stuck with the AS quints and Marks in the end as found them better than AP and Hybrid Pen. Building her 9-21-0 and find that once you get past level 6 then you can have a real impact but up to then you are massively prone to counter-jungling. Just ward smartly and start the opposite side you are expected and you can usually get away with it.

I build full tank now with tank jungle item and chilling smite, Frozen heart for CDR and mana mainly, Spirit Visage, Randuins, Warmogs and Merc Threads. I sometimes swap the Spirit Visage for Banshee and sacrifice the the CDR for the shield if the enemy has particularly bursty mages. Your ult is up approx every minute and imo is stronger than Amumu's ult but harder to hit. Trick is not to use it to engage, wait till the fight has started and people have started to bunch before using it or use it to take the enemy carry out of the game. Sej can build so tanky and is so sticky that she is a carry's worst nightmare. Have won the team the game a number of times with a well placed ult or by just by focusing the fed champ on the other team. With all the health in that build I can still pump out a lot of dmg with my W (scales with health) and with max CDR it is up every 4 secs at max rank (I max first) and with merc threads and the passive you have a lot of tenacity so it very difficult to lock you down. With your passive you get free armor, tenacity and a stack of frost to slow your enemy and with your q as a gap closer and knock up it is next to impossible to get away from Sej. She is really fun to play and has excellent mobility to get around the jungle and escape over walls or steal in for a baron or drake steal. Q over the wall into the pit, ult and then smite or ult then q over wall and smite. Think to be honest she is bordering on op and will get a lot of play once people realise how strong she is again. The changes to her mana costs have transformed her.

Seeing alot more Cassio being played in normal draft, and discussion about her on various forums. My ticket to plat next season is gonna be nerfed Atleast i still have Diana.

Actually i made it to Gold 1 promo's last season and just gave up when i failed them and lost 3 more games in a row after that. Could make a run for Diamond next season! Or mid plat atleast:D

n1ck wrote: »

Not being bad but the difference from gold -> mid plat is quite large.

Easy