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Originally Posted by Ash.J.Williams

probably not throughout Europe, but you may have a point about the UK and Ireland...

however if SHM were playing their own gig in a club in dublin with the usual door policies, i would guarantee no trouble. 60,000 people in dublin city center with an age demographic of 15-25 is begging for trouble.

Perhaps an idea to try would be to decrease the price of drink in the venue, have more bars, and deny entry to people with "dhrink taaaken"

Yeah I guess that could have something to do with it, I'm not too sure though.

Originally Posted by DC10555

Actually I can and I'm pretty sure I just did. That's my opinion on the matter regardless of if you agree or not. I mean it's obvious you dislike SHM, it maybe due to their style of music I really don't care why to be honest, each to their own as the saying goes. Personally I'm not a fan of the Stone Roses, but If the same conduct went down at the Roses gig or any other gig for that matter I'd never sit here and tell someone it was the music that influenced the people in the way they acted, If people are that influenced by music then they simply have no self control and they need to seek psychological help so that when they're sitting in a coffee shop or on the bus they don't feel the need to stab someone because SHM came on the radio.

I don't dislike SHM. I don't like them, but I don't particularly dislike them. I don't feel anything about them. If that sort of conduct went on at the Roses concert, I, as a massive Roses fan, would be willing to admit that there was a sinister element in the fanbase.

[EyesClosed]

Originally Posted by DC10555

Actually I can and I'm pretty sure I just did. That's my opinion on the matter regardless of if you agree or not. I mean it's obvious you dislike SHM, it maybe due to their style of music I really don't care why to be honest, each to their own as the saying goes. Personally I'm not a fan of the Stone Roses, but If the same conduct went down at the Roses gig or any other gig for that matter I'd never sit here and tell someone it was the music that influenced the people in the way they acted, If people are that influenced by music then they simply have no self control and they need to seek psychological help so that when they're sitting in a coffee shop or on the bus they don't feel the need to stab someone because SHM came on the radio.

My opinion would be that it's by no means the bands fault, but their music does draw a bad element.
For example UB40 have a horrible following and for some reason their music draws a violent crowd. (I know this from working at of the their shows, and being told by security that their shows always draw the same type of crowd) SHM in this country will draw young and violent people, I am not saying all their fans are like this, but that small few are the ones that cause the problems.
Is it because the music is more dance orientated and that's what the hear in clubs, and associate with drink and drugs and nights out? I am not sure.
Yes you are going to get drugs and drink at every show, so yes you will have some arrests, people being to drunk etc, but that level of stabbing and violence will always be associated with the small few, who sadly will attend the dance or very popular music shows, such as SHM.

[cometogether]

Originally Posted by EyesClosed

My opinion would be that it's by no means the bands fault, but their music does draw a bad element.
For example UB40 have a horrible following and for some reason their music draws a violent crowd. (I know this from working at of the their shows, and being told by security that their shows always draw the same type of crowd) SHM in this country will draw young and violent people, I am not saying all their fans are like this, but that small few are the ones that cause the problems.
Is it because the music is more dance orientated and that's what the hear in clubs, and associate with drink and drugs and nights out? I am not sure.
Yes you are going to get drugs and drink at every show, so yes you will have some arrests, people being to drunk etc, but that level of stabbing and violence will always be associated with the small few, who sadly will attend the dance or very popular music shows, such as SHM.

Spot on

[jack presley]

While not all dance music fans are scumbags and shouldn't be labelled as such, the majority of scumbags are dance music fans

[EyesClosed]

Originally Posted by jack presley

While not all dance music fans are scumbags and shouldn't be labelled as such, the majority of scumbags are dance music fans

Exactly, so no dance music is not the problem and should not be banned that's just insane.
I used to work scanning tickets at gigs, once someone had a ticket and it scanned then they where in, no matter how hammered they where.
That I think is a problem, people should not be allowed to enter if they are to drunk and already fighting in the queue, same as any pub/club

[DC10555]

Originally Posted by cometogether

I don't dislike SHM. I don't like them, but I don't particularly dislike them. I don't feel anything about them. If that sort of conduct went on at the Roses concert, I, as a massive Roses fan, would be willing to admit that there was a sinister element in the fanbase.

yea that was my mistake I read your comment as "genre has a sinister element in it" instead of "genre has a sinister element in it's following" I thought you were saying that electronic music itself was sinister, Major fail on my part I was in the rush out the door for lunch

I agree that dance music would probably draw a larger "scum bag" especially within Ireland, but I just don't understand why it has to be this way when other countries can have electronic events go off without a hitch, I mean is the problem within our society? Or how our legal system works and how if someone does start a fight or gets arrested for drug possession/disorderly conduct they seem to be just getting a slap on the wrist for it, I mean the guy who did the knifing shouldn't have been even on the street if he already had 22 convictions..

I'm really interested to see how things are handled at the David Guetta gig at Marley Park on the 24th, I think that will be the decider for dance events like this in Ireland which sucks big time for a genuine fan like myself and the many others that genuinely enjoy the music without the need for any substance/violence.

[cometogether]

Originally Posted by DC10555

yea that was my mistake I read your comment as "genre has a sinister element in it" instead of "genre has a sinister element in it's following" I thought you were saying that electronic music itself was sinister, Major fail on my part I was in the rush out the door for lunch

I agree that dance music would probably draw a larger "scum bag" especially within Ireland, but I just don't understand why it has to be this way when other countries can have electronic events go off without a hitch, I mean is the problem within our society? Or how our legal system works and how if someone does start a fight or gets arrested for drug possession/disorderly conduct they seem to be just getting a slap on the wrist for it, I mean the guy who did the knifing shouldn't have been even on the street if he already had 22 convictions..

I'm really interested to see how things are handled at the David Guetta gig at Marley Park on the 24th, I think that will be the decider for dance events like this in Ireland which sucks big time for a genuine fan like myself and the many others that genuinely enjoy the music without the need for any substance/violence.

I don't know why either, it really is a mystery! I reckon that there will be incredible security at that gig, otherwise it will be absolute carnage.

[jack presley]

The problem with enforcing the no drunks allowed in policy is that you'll have thousands of people left outside with no where to go which will possibly have worse consequences

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Originally Posted by jack presley

The problem with enforcing the no drunks allowed in policy is that you'll have thousands of people left outside with no where to go which will possibly have worse consequences

Yeah that is quite true, they could get aggressive and rush the gates, people could get killed. A larger Garda presence on the avenue leading into the concert area could have helped.

[Ash.J.Williams]

Originally Posted by cometogether

Yeah that is quite true, they could get aggressive and rush the gates, people could get killed. A larger Garda presence on the avenue leading into the concert area could have helped.

It was lunacy giving that amount of people the entire park to feck around before the gig.

[jack presley]

Originally Posted by cometogether

Yeah that is quite true, they could get aggressive and rush the gates, people could get killed. A larger Garda presence on the avenue leading into the concert area could have helped.

Both times I've been to gigs at Marley Park the entrance in I took was down a narrow tree lined lane way that boxes you in and it takes forever to get along it and into the gig. And a lot of people were hammered. Now if these don't get it in, will they be pushed back along the same route meeting others coming the other way?

[cometogether]

Originally Posted by jack presley

Both times I've been to gigs at Marley Park the entrance in I took was down a narrow tree lined lane way that boxes you in and it takes forever to get along it and into the gig. And a lot of people were hammered. Now if these don't get it in, will they be pushed back along the same route meeting others coming the other way?

No idea, I've never been there. I was referring to the Phoenix Park gigs.

[SantryRed]

Originally Posted by cometogether

Yes at all. I was at the Stone Roses gig, I didn't see one fight, nobody passed out drunk, there was literally no arrests either. You telling me that's just a coincidence?

No I'm not. Yes obviously the people at shm were scum and a hell of a lot more trouble at that one, but the Snow Patrol concert wasn't organised well. Could easily have been a mini Hillsborough at the hole in the wall entrance due to the lack of light, no police presence and the idiotic decision to not allow anyone out the Ashtown exit

[cometogether]

Originally Posted by SantryRed

No I'm not. Yes obviously the people at shm were scum and a hell of a lot more trouble at that one, but the Snow Patrol concert wasn't organised well. Could easily have been a mini Hillsborough at the hole in the wall entrance due to the lack of light, no police presence and the idiotic decision to not allow anyone out the Ashtown exit

Well I can't comment on that as I wasn't there. All I can say is that it wasn't like that for the Roses gig. It was muddy and dark on the way out and the walk was a bit of an ordeal but not at all dangerous.

[Macy0161]

Originally Posted by cometogether

It was muddy and dark on the way out and the walk was a bit of an ordeal but not at all dangerous.

Just because nothing did happen, doesn't mean there wasn't potential for things to happen due to a lack of lighting and a total lack of a security presence on the exit routes. Sure it's grand, nothing happened, so everything was fine.