[concussion]

For what it's worth, my CEFO is set up as follows (anti-clockwise from buckle):

Double ammo pouch, holds 4 Steyr magazines

Bayonet frog

Utility pouch, holds 58 Ptn water bottle, metal mug, ziplock of tea/sugar/whitener, couple of hexi blocks, matches, green scouring pad

Utility pouch, holds 1xmain meal, rifle cleaning kit in tupperware box, monocular (used to be a binocular ), GPS when not on wrist, Leatherman, black tape, arc markers, mine markers, 2xglowsticks, AA and AAA batteries, sandbags

Utility pouch, holds 200 rds 7.62

Single utility pouch, divider removed, holds Israeli dressing, compression bandage, rolls of gauze, extra gloves (intend on including CAT and naso-tube)

Double ammo pouch, dividers removed, holds magazines, smoke grenades, frag grenades or mini themal flask as required

Finished off with a 58 Ptn clip on the yoke straps so I can clip my helmet on easily when required. Has not been modified in 5 years and has been which me while a student and instructor on several career courses.

Microfleece, pre-powdered spare socks c/w Goretex liner, food, waterproof jacket, hydration pack in daysack, with lots of space left for ammo/radio/other bulky, heavy military kit,

Smock holds TAM's, maps, cam cream, whistle, compass, gloves, hat, glucose tabs, sweets etc etc etc.

[OzCam]

Sorry, I should have said first aid kit, I had Manic's IFAK in my head while typing.

Many hard lessons have been learned in trauma management in Iraq & Afghanistan over the last 15 years. I'm wondering how that has influenced PLCE bearing in mind that the PDF don't - not yet anyway - use a full Osprey/IOTV style setup (apart from the vest-over-armour system on some recent missions).

The list of contents of various kits are in plenty of places around the net. It also makes sense for everyone in a unit/brigade/army to carry it in some standard position so it can be found by a comrade in a hurry. What I was getting at is why it would be carried in one position rather than another.

[Manic Moran]

IFAK is a large piece of kit, it's a SAW (M249) ammo pouch converted. There aren't very many places one can put it. It pretty much has to be at hip level, your only question is if you want it on the left side or the right side. If it's on the the wearer's left side, then to someone facing you, the kit is on the right side: He can easily use his right hand (normally the dominant hand) to start pulling stuff out. Arguably, also, for someone opening his own IFAK, it's a little easier to 'cross-draw'.

[Maoltuile]

Originally Posted by OzCam

Sorry, I should have said first aid kit, I had Manic's IFAK in my head while typing.

Many hard lessons have been learned in trauma management in Iraq & Afghanistan over the last 15 years.

Maybe the most useful and interesting training I've done in the past few months was on casualty triage (by a qualified and experienced instructor), followed by a challenging exercise. It's a big change from the old days of 'first aid'.

[marketty]

The two most important things to carry in your plce on the ground are cigarettes and toilet paper (or 'white gold' as its known).
Anything you are stuck for can usually be bought with one of the above!

[Mr. Tezza]

Ok, for people looking to adjust what they have and what to have, this is my CEFO layout (If anyone wants my Bergen layout they can PM me). Given to me on a course and i've used it ever since...

SMOCK - survival

Top right pocket

• Battlebook
• Orbat
• Tacaids - individual
• Spoon/Spork

Top left pocket

• Map of Location
• Chinagraph
• Black Marker
• Compass (on lanyard)
• Whistle (on lanyard)

Bottom Right Pocket

• Gloves (fingerless)
• Knife (on lanyard) (not necessary in some cases)
• Boonie Hat
• Camo Net (optional)

Bottom Left Pocket

• Radio
• Camostick
• Mirror (shatterproof)
• Headtorch (red filter)

Inside pocket

• Opord

CEFO - Combat Effective Fighting Order

Front left strap

• Ear Protection (incl inserts for FIBUA)

(Pouches layout left to right) Ammo, Water bottle, 3xkidney pouches , ammo)

last ammo pouch ALWAYS kept empty to carry LMG ammo (marked with white tape)

water bottle pouch keeps...

• Waterbottle
• Puri tabs (ration pack)
• Metal mug (optional)

2xKidney pouches at rear OR 1xUtility pouch (god-awful things)

• First Aid Kit
• Flexi-cuffs (optional)
• Spare Laces
• Baby wipes (uber important!)
• Paracord
• Waterproof matches (ration pack)
• Rifle Cleaning Kit

If your carry more than that your definately carrying too much!

[Doctor14]

Originally Posted by Mr. Tezza

CEFO - Combat Effective Fighting Order

CEFO = Combat Equipment Fighting Order.

Updated in 2007 to include Daysack as part of the CEFO

[Mr. Tezza]

Originally Posted by Doctor14

CEFO = Combat Equipment Fighting Order.

Updated in 2007 to include Daysack as part of the CEFO

Always known it/been taught it as being effective not equipment but thanks for the correction.

Ah I don't include my daysack as part of my CEFO list but I suppose I could amend it to include it in there.Its in my CEMO list alrite as my daysack/grabsack goes into my bergen, hence being in my CEMO list not my CEFO list...

[OzCam]

What's in your Individual First Aid Kit?

The Mad Duo at Breach Bang Clear have a link to an article written by a Canadian Forces medic. Some folks here might find it useful.

How do you decide what your element packs in their Individual First Aid Kit (IFAK)? On most deployments, units issue very basic first aid equipment. Most of the time, it consists of a pressure dressing, tourniquet, and a hemostatic dressing. As a mechanized infantry company medic, this may be more than sufficient when you consider the combined organic assets of infantry company. Would that be enough in a small unit embedded with LN security forces?

Full article is at http://privatebloggins.ca/?p=596

[Mr. Tezza]

Originally Posted by OzCam

What's in your Individual First Aid Kit?

The Mad Duo at Breach Bang Clear have a link to an article written by a Canadian Forces medic. Some folks here might find it useful.



Full article is at http://privatebloggins.ca/?p=596

I dunno what other people carry but in my own personal first aid kit (carried in Kidney pouches, bigger first aid kit in bergen) I carry stuff for my feet mostly, like blister patches and foot powder, that sorta thing as well as stuff to treat minor cuts/abrasions and heat wrap or my hands if they get frozen that type of thing...