[j walsh]

Haha go on Tim...

Originally Posted by Tim_Murphy

Just because a comment is stereotypical doesn’t mean it’s not right.

[Khannie]

Slight aside but worth it....

Originally Posted by j walsh

Surprised giving it's from a moderator.

You're only a moderator in your own forum. Outside the forum that you moderate you're just a normal Joe.

I don't think there was any nasty intent in the comment. Scoring in other sports is definitely more clear cut IMO - that's not to say that the judging is more consistent though. I'm pretty sure that scoring in Thai (at least in Thailand) is consistently consistent.

[j walsh]

[Quote=Khannie;79980002]Slight aside but worth it....

Originally Posted by j walsh

Surprised giving it's from a moderator.

Well after watching the AM boxing in the Olympic's i think ours is very straight forward IMHO.

[mugger]

I agree john

[Tim_Murphy]

Originally Posted by j walsh

Haha go on Tim...

Oh I've nothing further to add.

As far as I can tell this Tony Myers gentleman and possibly jebus are the only people who understand Thai scoring so it's certainly not something I'm qualified to comment on.

[Khannie]

Mugger got 100% on Tony's course so there's three of them.

[cowzerp]

1st off I was not having a go at Muay Thai a sport i highly respect, I've been at several events though and the scoring is strange to say the least, I've seen fights where 1 lad would punch the other all over the place and the lad who got punched around would win by landing a few more leg kicks, it's been explained to me that punching does not score well in Thai, that's fine if thats the scoring but then it's not necessarily who Damaged who then in that case like said above.

Originally Posted by gregmarah

why is that cowzerp? did you ever watch a boxing or MMA fight that had judges score the fight differently .than the others ?

Good judges can score MMA easily, i have seen many different judging decisions and often it's down to poor judging rather than the system which is far from perfect by the way.

Boxing scoring done right is very easy, who ever bashes whoever wins the round, win more rounds and you win the fight, how you bash them does not matter once it's legal.

So all systems that have judges can have human error but the actual scoring systems are easy enough to follow.

Originally Posted by Eddy L

Tried my best to ignore this,but thats just a stero typical comment from an MMA guy.

Tim answered that better than i could ever.

Originally Posted by j walsh

Well after watching the AM boxing in the Olympic's i think ours is very straight forward IMHO.

Amateur Boxing scoring is very simple, you land a clean blow and you score, if it is not clean it will not count, the scoring system in amateur Boxing has changed recently so if the judges score it 15, 10, 9, 11, 3 the the high and low will be removed and the middle 3 will be averaged, in this case the score would be 10, this cuts out judges who may be cheating by over or under scoring fighters.

[j walsh]

Well cowzerp just recently after watching the Irish fighter Nolan in his first fight at the Olympic's, I, (only in my opinion) taught he definately scored more than the two points given to him in the final round. So I think their system is flawed and has being a very long time.

Btw the Irish boxers are doing fantasic, fair play to them and lets hope them win plenty medals

[cowzerp]

Originally Posted by j walsh

Well cowzerp just recently after watching the Irish fighter Nolan in his first fight at the Olympic's, I, (only in my opinion) taught he definately scored more than the two points given in the final round. So I think their system is flawed and has being a very long time.

Btw the Irish boxers are doing fantasic, fair play to them and lets hope them win plenty medals

The Olympics have had some outrageous decisions in the Boxing, This is down to Human error or cheating to be honest-nothing got to do with the scoring system which if applied right is very easy, Clean punch and judge hits his button, If at the end of round there was 10 clean punches there should be an average of around 10 points per judge, out of the 5 judges the high and low are removed and the 3 are averaged, this ideally should average 10!

with poor judges this does not happen, also there is talk of it reverting back to the pro system for the Rio Olympics which is basically just 10-9 system based on who bashes who!!

With all that said, Explaining the judging of Muay Thai takes a brain surgeon-Thats not good, In my opinion all combat sports should be simply who bashes who by legal means.

[Khannie]

Originally Posted by cowzerp

In my opinion all combat sports should be simply who bashes who by legal means.

You're approaching it from a purely functional perspective though and that's not necessarily what Muay Thai is about (it just happens to be highly functional for bashing people too ). There's a large traditional part to it too.

Having said that, stuff is generally scored on how hard it is to land a clean strike of that type and / or the damage it does. The only exception to this is punching, which doesn't necessarily score as well as the damage it does, but (as I understand it anyway) this is largely so that the sport doesn't descend into a boxing match with a bit of kicking in it and I'm glad of that.

[cowzerp]

Originally Posted by Khannie

You're approaching it from a purely functional perspective though and that's not necessarily what Muay Thai is about (it just happens to be highly functional for bashing people too ). There's a large traditional part to it too.

I do get that Khannie, but all this scoring rounds 10-10 just for the sake of it is madness, You either won the rd or not-or at least that should be the case.

[mugger]

punchs do score as does kicks,knee,elbows and throws,the number 1 thing for it to score is that it has to have effect not just that it landed clean (like in boxing) and like i said above the clean shots with no effect are 2nd.
its not that hard when someone talks to you about it and you watch fights that way,but over the keyboard it might seem that way.
And of course like any sports with judging you are going to see some wrong or bad decisions from time to time but thats Life and is always goina happen no matter what.but most try to keep that to a minimal

[j walsh]

Cowzerp we'll have to agree to disagree,
interesting debate though but kinda getting off topic at this stage.

[Eddy L]

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Yes the IMC have a ruling in place as their member gyms fighters cannot fight Muay Thai against any other non members gyms and you know me that I sincerely wish it was not so. It is frustrating but thats the rules. you will find similar rules in lots of National Orginisations so its not that unusual. Main reasons is that since its an officially recognised body by the Irish Sports council it has to uphold certain strict safety guidelines like compulsory yearly medicals for fighters, liciensing and fight recording which most officially recognised sporting bodies would be required to have which would go against safety regulations if an IMC promotion if they allowed a fighter from a non member gym without the required medical or proper record of experience and if he got seriously injured how would you explain this as being best practice to your Nationional Sporting Council?? It has then got to be the same if one of our IMC fighters fought on a non IMC show and got seriously injured how do we explain that we allowed a fighter to fight on an unregulated show that may not have followed best..

Cooled my jets on this topic a few months back.

But re reading it,I have only realised that imc are hiding behind the sports council jiberish,seing as IMC fighters have fought on and hold k1 titles on Chris Boynes shows in Dublin.now I hardly think Chris Boynes and his organasiation are recognised by the sports council.