[Fizzical]

There's a thread in Educationposts claiming that payroll has said new beneficiaries are not being paid for yard supervision done from Mar to June and never in the future, at both primary and secondary level.

Does anyone here know anything of this?

[doc_17]

If that is true then those people shoulp refuse to do it if it wasn't written into their contracts.

[Geologyrocks]

All allowances are suspended, for people who have never received the allowance before Feb 2012, pending the review of public sector allowances by Brendan Howlin. S & S is considered an allowance. It was specifically mentioned in that circular the department published. Here is the link:
http://www.education.ie/en/Circulars...l0003_2012.pdf
Presumably, if they decide to keep the allowance after the review, the payment will be backdated.

[rainbowtrout]

I don't see how S&S can be considered an allowance. It's basically a form of overtime, extra pay for extra work. I can't see how any new entrant would agree to do S&S this coming September if they are not going to get paid for it if other people on staff are.

[Fizzical]

Originally Posted by Geologyrocks

All allowances are suspended, for people who have never received the allowance before Feb 2012, pending the review of public sector allowances by Brendan Howlin. S & S is considered an allowance. It was specifically mentioned in that circular the department published. Here is the link:
http://www.education.ie/en/Circulars...l0003_2012.pdf
Presumably, if they decide to keep the allowance after the review, the payment will be backdated.

Thanks. I didn't realise it was included with allowances for the purpose of the review. I wonder if people now refuse to do it without pay would that be considered leaving the scheme and hence losing its pensionability?

[Geologyrocks]

I don't really know how it will work Fizzical but I really don't understand how the government can expect NQTs to do free supervision when others are getting paid for it. I think the NQT's need to go to the union and try get the union to tell principals that NQTs won't be doing this work and that they should not be asked to do it.
I agree Rainbowtrout, for it to be considered an allowance is just stupid as it is extra work.
There was an article in the times a couple of weeks back where Howlin mentioned the review and he did say something along the lines of allowances that represent additional work/value for the company are the ones they would keep, so I wouldn't lose hope just yet that it will be gone for new entrants completely.
I really wish they would hurry up with this review. It was supposed to be done months ago.

[bdoo]

II'll be gone from it anyway if it is stopped. The pensionability is calculated on final salary so unless you are doing it in your final year it won't count for pension purposes.

[rainbowtrout]

Originally Posted by bdoo

II'll be gone from it anyway if it is stopped. The pensionability is calculated on final salary so unless you are doing it in your final year it won't count for pension purposes.

This. I bailed out two years ago and the whole 'what about your pension ?' was levelled at me by one or two people.

If I'm depending on the pension eligibility of approximately €1000 30 years from now to keep me going financially then I have far bigger problems. I can't imagine S&S will be around in its current form 30 years from now and when I realised that giving it up was such a non
issue.


With regard to it being pensionable and leaving the scheme. The only people not getting paid are NQTs from this year. I can't imagine why any of them would be worried about leaving a scheme that does not pay as there is no pension from no pay

[doc_17]

NQTs should not be doing this if they are not getting paid for it. Go to your union about it.

[mockingjay]

Originally Posted by Geologyrocks

All allowances are suspended, for people who have never received the allowance before Feb 2012, pending the review of public sector allowances by Brendan Howlin. S & S is considered an allowance. It was specifically mentioned in that circular the department published. Here is the link:
http://www.education.ie/en/Circulars...l0003_2012.pdf
Presumably, if they decide to keep the allowance after the review, the payment will be backdated.

When you say this do you specifically mean the S&S allowance, I get the degree & dip allowance as i qualified and had some supervision before the deadline but last year was my first full year working. I didn't start until October and wasn't involved in S&S but the VP asked me would I be interested this year, I certainly won't consider it at all on a voluntary basis as I do other extra-curricular stuff. Does anyone have any updates?

[TheDriver]

it is going to be interesting as we get a budget to do it but can;t employ anyone new into this scheme. With people who retire and naturally leave the school, theres less people to do it who we can pay and money there to do it. Ridiculous

[rose23]

I covered a maternity leave last year so I dont think I got any allowances, didnt do the S&S either. I received a sign up form for S&S with my timetable the other day from my new school. Clearly I dont want to do it if I dont get paid for it. How will I get clarification on this before next week?

[flatbackfour]

Originally Posted by rose23

I covered a maternity leave last year so I dont think I got any allowances, didnt do the S&S either. I received a sign up form for S&S with my timetable the other day from my new school. Clearly I dont want to do it if I dont get paid for it. How will I get clarification on this before next week?

What is the union position on this? I would try to find that out. Find the name of the local TUI-ASTI union county rep and give them a call maybe??

In any event I would hold off on signing that form yet, and not look for any clarification from the school management yet. Try to have your own ducks lined up in your own head before approaching them, if you know what i mean.

[doc_17]

If you are not getting paid for it then do not do it. Contact your Union

[bdoo]

Originally Posted by doc_17

If you are not getting paid for it then do not do it. Contact your Union

The allowances thing is a mess. You will be told that you will be paid by you'd principal who will hope that it will be sorted ny Feb for the first tranche whether they will ne allowed to pay it from their allocation us another matter.

I have my timetable for next year, well this year I suppose now, anyway, got hours reduced to 18:30 For my new a post- still no money though!

This one will be awkward.

The while thing is a disgrace really, it has been six months or more since the review was announced and no progress at all to date.