[Samich]

Originally Posted by oscarBravo

No, I'm telling you (for the third time now) that we're not going to be re-writing a sitewide policy to suit your particular desires. You haven't really made the thread about that, though. If you want to make the thread about that, rather than demanding that moderation be carried out in a manner that suits you, then let's do so. No, I'm not saying that. You can tell that I'm not saying that by the fact that I didn't say that. Don't read between the lines; I didn't write between them. That's something else I very specifically didn't say.

I won't be responding any further before the morning, so have a think before you reply again. If you genuinely feel that there's an issue with the moderation of the Soccer forum that is to the detriment of the forum generally rather than something that pisses you personally off, say so and we'll have a conversation about it. If, on the other hand, you come back with an argumentative post similar to your last one, I'll stop entertaining the discussion.

Where was the argumentative post?

You agreed the forum was one of the strictest on boards but then say it's down to mods judgement, that's not a strict forum.

I've told the soccer mods to come to this thread yet there have been no replies (apart from one saying they're discussing it).

[Paul Tergat]

If the mods were as strict as you want them to be there would be no forum. Nobody would want to be a member where the tiniest little off topic comment is given a yellow, all posters would be banned.

Regarding the actual comment I made last night, I was just letting people know why I wouldnt be commenting further the IPO. I feel a few of the lads sorta know me on the forum and kindly asked how I got on. Thats really all it was and as others have said it can nicely break up a thread and fosters a good environment for discussion

I don't think you are a bad poster at all but I reckon that you are maybe seeing arguments that arent really there in the first place.

Just my 2c any Samich

[Samich]

Originally Posted by Paul Tergat

If the mods were as strict as you want them to be there would be no forum. Nobody would want to be a member where the tiniest little off topic comment is given a yellow, all posters would be banned.

Regarding the actual comment I made last night, I was just letting people know why I wouldnt be commenting further the IPO. I feel a few of the lads sorta know me on the forum and kindly asked how I got on. Thats really all it was and as others have said it can nicely break up a thread and fosters a good environment for discussion

I don't think you are a bad poster at all but I reckon that you are maybe seeing arguments that arent really there in the first place.

Just my 2c any Samich

Ok forget that part then of my posts.

The first 2 still stand though. I'm all for the little guy, someone with 100 posts comes in and says they're putting someone on ignore, they'll get a yellow card and will be referred to the charter. I got a yellow for calling someone a troll before. Fair enough it was a yellow, but when someone does it and it's allowed, it's not fair.

[PeterStrauss The Second]

All this hassle over a previously site banned troll.

Ironic that mink_man is upset for being labelled a troll tbh.

[Mikeyt086]

Originally Posted by PeterStrauss The Second

All this hassle over a previously site banned troll.

Ironic that mink_man is upset for being labelled a troll tbh.

[SlickRic]

SOTS tbh.

by the way Samich, you're doing everything you can to avoid your own indiscretions.

if you want the mods to be that strict, then you'll have to accept a banning yourself for your "off-topic posting" and "back seat modding".

the forum would die though.

posting "i've still got more infractions than others" really is quite a thin argument IMO. and how would you know? i saw Pro F was infractioned earlier for instance. the mods are largely very fair.

you don't know all the infractions that the soccer mods have handed out unless you've got a super sad amount of time on your hands.

you're just sore because you feel picked on, because you've rubbed people up the wrong way in the Utd thread.

[oscarBravo]

Originally Posted by Samich

You agreed the forum was one of the strictest on boards but then say it's down to mods judgement, that's not a strict forum.

I'll take this as you asking, yet again, for the moderators to be denied discretion in the exercise of their roles, and - for the fourth time - I'll explain that that's not going to happen.

That's the end of my involvement in this conversation. I'm not interested in being a sounding board for a rant. If you want to have a reasoned discussion about perceived issues in the Soccer forum, I'm afraid you're going to have to approach it differently.

[Will I Amnt]

The United superthread has become painful reading over the last few weeks and it's in no small part down to you Samich.
Your pigheadedness and insistence on picking at irrelevant parts of people's points while ignoring the main point they are trying to make is infuriating to say the least.

There is nobody ganging up on you,it's just that virtually everybody is either in disagreement with what you're saying or how you are approaching saying it.
I have had plenty of disagreements with posters in that thread but sometimes you have to agree to disagree and move on.
You might just happen to agree with that person on the next topic.

[Roger Sterling]

Ah yes the old soccer forum troll cycle:

(a) Post controversial opinions in increasingly erratic style until you've made a "name" for yourself

(b) Develop persecution complex about unanimous disagreement on club thread with deliberately inflammatory posts

(c) Use forum rules about being labelled a troll and back seat modding to score the odd point against generaly decent posters

(d) Create feedback thread to increase "notoriety" when furore reaches a peak, all the while maintaining a stance of injured, outraged innocence.

(e) 6 month ban which is appealed to the nth degree

(f) Attempt multiple re-reg's until Admins become wise to his tricks

(g) Retreat to Mammy's basement in search of new footy forum to repeat cycle, whil all the time losing the constant battle with ever increasing dampness of chin

[Beasty]

Originally Posted by Samich

I've told the soccer mods to come to this thread yet there have been no replies (apart from one saying they're discussing it).

Your OP was timed at 3.40 yesterday afternoon. I'm not sure when you "told" the soccer mods to come to this thread, but maybe your expectations of an immediate contribution to the thread are indicative of you general attitude both here and in the Soccer Forum

I have a life outside of Boards and have not had chance to look at the points you are raising (and you've not PM'd me as a CMod to raise any concerns about the modding of the forum - I've only just come across this thread now). When I get chance I will have a look at them, and also discuss any issues with the local mods with a view to posting back here (but please don't expect that to happen immediately - these things take time to review)

[Tom Dunne]

This thread has served the following purposes:

1: brought Samich up on the mods/cmods and admins radar, along with associated previous bans, infractions and accounts. Not A Good Thing.

2: demonstrated an impatience with other users of the site, along with an inability to appreciate (a) the policies and procedures we have for dealing with these matters and (b) the fact that mods/cmods/admins are not at your beck and call when you throw a little strop to demand attention

3: demonstrated your inability to accept that the people who make up this community are human and as such, nothing is ever black and white. We trust mods/cmods and admins to take decisions based on the facts available, not to act like robots making "yes/no" decisions. That's what makes a community.

4: that you persisted with a point, despite the countless counterarguments from users, cmods and an admin

5: reinforced the feeling among the volunteers that manage this site that it is people like you who suck the enjoyment out of it for us. Your persistent arguing, your constant demanding, your inability to "let it go". Well newsflash, we no longer tolerate people like you. We are now at the point where if a poster is deemed to be more trouble than they are worth, action will be taken.

You are rapidly approaching this point.

So I strongly advise you take on board all that is being said to you on this thread. Otherwise, rest assured, action will be taken.

In short, let it go.

[LuckyLloyd]

If you are going to consistently hold a minority opinion and argue it vigorously then you are going to be in for some stick. That's life. Sport is an emotional subject and people hold their opinions dearly - and can find plenty of reinforcement for their views in the wide ranging sports media landscape. As such, it follows that they may not always be fully courteous when responding to you.

Seems to me that reporting lots of posts; getting into lots of petty squabbles and eventually taking it to feedback is a less than optimal way to handle the situation.

[5starpool]

If it ever got to the stage where someone was infracted for an off topic comment such as 'how did the interview go' then the soccer forum would be a wasteland in no time I'd say. What a stupid thing to report. I'm sure there are rules against such frivolous reports, but as I don't read charters of forums I'm familiar with, I can't say for sure.

[Pro. F]

Originally Posted by SlickRic

posting "i've still got more infractions than others" really is quite a thin argument IMO. and how would you know? i saw Pro F was infractioned earlier for instance. the mods are largely very fair.

Just to be clear, that infraction was overturned after the mod reflected on it.

But your point still stands, the mods are fair and nobody gets preferential treatment in the United thread. There is no evidence of it being any other way.

[Tom Dunne]

As the user has now closed his account, I think it is best that this thread is also closed.