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**Doctor DooM** · 29-07-2012, 02:21

Think I might be very close to having the shuttle working, need to get a few hours to work on it before I can confirm though.

I have the thing talking to my computer though, and I can alter settings on it and importantly tell it dropping the odd frame is not the end of the world, which is way further than I could so far.

**Doctor DooM** · 30-07-2012, 00:18

Well... this sucks.

So the Shuttle CAN work at 1980p... as long as the device you're recording from outputs at 30 fps.

Seeing as there's pretty much no devices which do this, it's seriously disingenous of them to advertise this as a 1080p recording solution.

I guess my next option is to find a down scaler.

J0hnick · 30-07-2012, 00:32

Hey Doom, I was thinking of getting an AverMedia Game Capture HD, but I don't know if you can stream with one, I think you can only capture with it, any ideas ?.

**Doctor DooM** · 30-07-2012, 00:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by J0hnick

Hey Doom, I was thinking of getting an AverMedia Game Capture HD, but I don't know if you can stream with one, I think you can only capture with it, any ideas ?.

It's a great device but yes you can't stream with it.

I think the roxio is the cheapest way to do a relavitely decent stream...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Roxio-Game-C...3606087&sr=1-1

J0hnick · 30-07-2012, 01:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor DooM

It's a great device but yes you can't stream with it.

I think the roxio is the cheapest way to do a relavitely decent stream...

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Roxio-Game-C...3606087&sr=1-1

Ive heard the Roxio has lag, and that's from people in the FPS scene, oh well. I mainly want it to cap matches, especially for games that don't have replays (hello Marvel) though streaming would have been nice. Theres always the Happauge, but game capture HD seems so much more convenient.

**Doctor DooM** · 30-07-2012, 10:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by J0hnick

Ive heard the Roxio has lag, and that's from people in the FPS scene, oh well. I mainly want it to cap matches, especially for games that don't have replays (hello Marvel) though streaming would have been nice. Theres always the Happauge, but game capture HD seems so much more convenient.

Well if you want to do it right, you'd get one of these:

http://www.ebay.ie/itm/HD-AV-1x4-RGB...item5ad251547d

Powered splitters split and add voltage to the signal so they are lagless and removes the recording device as a point of failure for the recording. The above one is a generic Chinese one and costs very little compared to the professional versions and has worked for me nearly as long as I have been recording. It also removes the lag of the device your using as a factor and makes it more a choice of which functionality is best or cost or whatever.

If you're using an external device like me I would 100% recommend splitting the signal.

**Doctor DooM** · 30-07-2012, 10:44

Gonna leave this as a seperate post.

Here's the situation with the Shuttle.

It won't work at 1080p 60fps but I read releases from the Black Magic support staff saying the device is capable of it and it's on the way. The problem is the USB3.0 drivers the manufacturers are making, apparently, none of them give optimal speed yet so there's apparently no point in allowing the option. Which, I have to say, smells funny to me, but how and ever, at some point it should magically become capable of what I wanted it to do. I assume my dell is a prime candidate for this as it has the USB3.0 board it's designed to work with.

In the mean time, this leaves me with a problem, as the entire point of getting it was to replace the hauppage with a true 1080p HD solution, not for the sake of youtube videos but to remove the problem of downscaling our monitors and producing lag.

I've come up with a temporary solution til black magic get off their arses: there's a device on youtube which will downscale 1080p hdmi to 720p component. So I hopefully can let people play in lagless glory and I can record in 720p.

Long as the box works...

**Doctor DooM** · 31-07-2012, 10:53

Ok, 1080p or not I've decided to keep the shuttle.

There are only 2 real weaknesses to the Hauppage for me, its reliance on component and its instability with xsplit.

The shuttle works with hdmi and component and it works absolutely beautifully with xsplit. My first tests have looked lovely. No more screen region capturing either, it works perfectly as a "camera" in xsplit. There are some very nice options for uncpmressed recording and the like which, although they make my current laptop freeze (they really need an SSD to work)

Part of me wants to tell them to F off with their shuttle because I do feel their marketing of it as a 1080p device is misleading (it's technically 1080p capable) but once the kinks were ironed out it's actually way more flexible than the hauppage. If they released this fabled 1080p 60fps firmware this would be the perfect recording solution for anyone who has a good enough laptop.

Da Bounca · 03-08-2012, 18:36

Hey guys, I remember at one point you were looking into getting screens for use at the various tourneys etc.

I came across this screen today and it seems to have pretty good stats and a decent price, so I thought I'd post it.
Komplett

Lythero · 03-08-2012, 19:46

Sucks to hear you're having so much trouble with the shuttle. I was reluctant to go near it myself cause of all the controversy following reviews of it and such, but hopefully it'll get the firmware update soon.

To tide you till then, maybe this will help with your next tourney recording:

**Doctor DooM** · 03-08-2012, 21:18

Lol, thanks.

The thing is working perfect now actually, better than the hauppage ever did, I'm just waiting for a new magic descaler box to see if I can use 1080p and record at the same time.

EmSixTeen · 04-08-2012, 16:44

Is AE not an upscaled 720p anyway though, or am I wrong? Why not just play on that?

**Doctor DooM** · 04-08-2012, 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by EmSixTeen

Is AE not an upscaled 720p anyway though, or am I wrong? Why not just play on that?

Because the monitors are 1080p native and downscaling to 720 p causes lag!

EmSixTeen · 04-08-2012, 17:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by Doctor DooM

Because the monitors are 1080p native and downscaling to 720 p causes lag!

Oh sheeit, understandable then!

**Doctor DooM** · 07-08-2012, 10:56

Ok I just tool delivery of what seems to me to be an amazing piece of kit, if it works.

It's an Orei HDMI up AND downscaler which will also convert from interlaced to progressive AND NTSC to pal, and all these controls are manual.

It literally cost me a third of similar American products (this isn't unusual- if any of you are getting into video making and need something that looks ridiculously dear, I'd suggest asking someone with a bit of experience to take a look first...)...

So tonight it's round 4- can I get a 1080p signal into a 720p recording device?

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29-07-2012, 02:21	#16
Doctor DooM Category Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mostly AFK. Posts: 29,810 Adverts \| Friends CMod: Classic Rock, Fighting Games, Latverian People's Army, The Journal of Impossible Things, The Nocturnal Forum, Music Mods, Music	Think I might be very close to having the shuttle working, need to get a few hours to work on it before I can confirm though. I have the thing talking to my computer though, and I can alter settings on it and importantly tell it dropping the odd frame is not the end of the world, which is way further than I could so far.

30-07-2012, 00:18	#17
Doctor DooM Category Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mostly AFK. Posts: 29,810 Adverts \| Friends CMod: Classic Rock, Fighting Games, Latverian People's Army, The Journal of Impossible Things, The Nocturnal Forum, Music Mods, Music	Well... this sucks. So the Shuttle CAN work at 1980p... as long as the device you're recording from outputs at 30 fps. Seeing as there's pretty much no devices which do this, it's seriously disingenous of them to advertise this as a 1080p recording solution. I guess my next option is to find a down scaler.

30-07-2012, 00:32	#18
J0hnick Registered User Join Date: May 2010 Posts: 431 Adverts \| Friends	Hey Doom, I was thinking of getting an AverMedia Game Capture HD, but I don't know if you can stream with one, I think you can only capture with it, any ideas ?.

30-07-2012, 10:44	#22
Doctor DooM Category Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mostly AFK. Posts: 29,810 Adverts \| Friends CMod: Classic Rock, Fighting Games, Latverian People's Army, The Journal of Impossible Things, The Nocturnal Forum, Music Mods, Music	Gonna leave this as a seperate post. Here's the situation with the Shuttle. It won't work at 1080p 60fps but I read releases from the Black Magic support staff saying the device is capable of it and it's on the way. The problem is the USB3.0 drivers the manufacturers are making, apparently, none of them give optimal speed yet so there's apparently no point in allowing the option. Which, I have to say, smells funny to me, but how and ever, at some point it should magically become capable of what I wanted it to do. I assume my dell is a prime candidate for this as it has the USB3.0 board it's designed to work with. In the mean time, this leaves me with a problem, as the entire point of getting it was to replace the hauppage with a true 1080p HD solution, not for the sake of youtube videos but to remove the problem of downscaling our monitors and producing lag. I've come up with a temporary solution til black magic get off their arses: there's a device on youtube which will downscale 1080p hdmi to 720p component. So I hopefully can let people play in lagless glory and I can record in 720p. Long as the box works...

31-07-2012, 10:53	#23
Doctor DooM Category Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mostly AFK. Posts: 29,810 Adverts \| Friends CMod: Classic Rock, Fighting Games, Latverian People's Army, The Journal of Impossible Things, The Nocturnal Forum, Music Mods, Music	Ok, 1080p or not I've decided to keep the shuttle. There are only 2 real weaknesses to the Hauppage for me, its reliance on component and its instability with xsplit. The shuttle works with hdmi and component and it works absolutely beautifully with xsplit. My first tests have looked lovely. No more screen region capturing either, it works perfectly as a "camera" in xsplit. There are some very nice options for uncpmressed recording and the like which, although they make my current laptop freeze (they really need an SSD to work) Part of me wants to tell them to F off with their shuttle because I do feel their marketing of it as a 1080p device is misleading (it's technically 1080p capable) but once the kinks were ironed out it's actually way more flexible than the hauppage. If they released this fabled 1080p 60fps firmware this would be the perfect recording solution for anyone who has a good enough laptop.

03-08-2012, 18:36	#24
Da Bounca Registered User Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: http://www.boards.ie Posts: 2,610 Adverts \| Friends	Hey guys, I remember at one point you were looking into getting screens for use at the various tourneys etc. I came across this screen today and it seems to have pretty good stats and a decent price, so I thought I'd post it. Komplett

03-08-2012, 19:46	#25
Lythero Registered User Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Armagh Posts: 354 Adverts \| Friends	Sucks to hear you're having so much trouble with the shuttle. I was reluctant to go near it myself cause of all the controversy following reviews of it and such, but hopefully it'll get the firmware update soon. To tide you till then, maybe this will help with your next tourney recording:

03-08-2012, 21:18	#26
Doctor DooM Category Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mostly AFK. Posts: 29,810 Adverts \| Friends CMod: Classic Rock, Fighting Games, Latverian People's Army, The Journal of Impossible Things, The Nocturnal Forum, Music Mods, Music	Lol, thanks. The thing is working perfect now actually, better than the hauppage ever did, I'm just waiting for a new magic descaler box to see if I can use 1080p and record at the same time.

04-08-2012, 16:44	#27
EmSixTeen Registered User Join Date: Aug 2008 Posts: 87 Adverts \| Friends	Is AE not an upscaled 720p anyway though, or am I wrong? Why not just play on that?

07-08-2012, 10:56	#30
Doctor DooM Category Moderator Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Mostly AFK. Posts: 29,810 Adverts \| Friends CMod: Classic Rock, Fighting Games, Latverian People's Army, The Journal of Impossible Things, The Nocturnal Forum, Music Mods, Music	Ok I just tool delivery of what seems to me to be an amazing piece of kit, if it works. It's an Orei HDMI up AND downscaler which will also convert from interlaced to progressive AND NTSC to pal, and all these controls are manual. It literally cost me a third of similar American products (this isn't unusual- if any of you are getting into video making and need something that looks ridiculously dear, I'd suggest asking someone with a bit of experience to take a look first...)... So tonight it's round 4- can I get a 1080p signal into a 720p recording device?