[daesu]

Originally Posted by Ads by Google

Interesting reading about money.. I didn't know you could jump up the payscale so much in Korea so my opinion of it has changed a bit.

Well the easiest way to make good money in Korea by far is to work 2 or even 3 jobs at once. Most people, especially irish, here on a first visa tend to go through a recruiter and end up in a relatively poorly paid position considering the hours they put in.

For example I know several people over the years who have worked, or rather have been at work, for 7-9 hours a day for 2.2-2.4 million won. And that's fine for many people. But when you consider that you can make 2.7 million won for an after school program for 4 hours a day (minus accomodation) its really not the best way to make money.

Recruiters get paid to stick people into jobs and a disproportionate number of these jobs which are through recruiters are the bottom of the barrel jobs which schools have problems filling.

Most of the better positions I've seen here don't use recruiters and instead hire directly from people who are actually here already.

Now don't think I'm saying all recruiter jobs are bad and all non-recruiter jobs are good. I'm just speaking in general.

Basically if you want to make money in korea get a morning job teaching kindy or adults and couple that with an afternoon position at an after school program, and if you really want to make more you can find another job teaching adults or possibly highschool kids at night.

Simple example; my friend works 8am-11am at a kindy school for 1.8 a month. 1pm-5/6pm at an after school program for 2.7 a month(2 saturdays a month included), and 7-9/10pm at an adult school for 2.0/2.1 a month. (2 saturdays a month included).

Now that's long hours yes but she makes 6.6 million won a month before tax. Just under 6 after tax I believe (over 4000 euro). 600,000 is rent as accomodation isn't included.

3 jobs isn't usual and my friend was lucky to find jobs where the hours and locations worked out well for her. 2 jobs are quite usual these days though.

I've mentioned that people should consider Vietnam before in this thread but no one cares.. Keeps supply low.

I was in vietnam for a business trip before and loved it. I certainly would have taken the chance to go there in the past or even possibly in the future if for no other reason than the food and beer. South Korean beer is piss. Worst in Asia by far. Even North Korean beer is better.

[daesu]

Here's an example of what I mean by an after school program.

http://www.eslcafe.com/jobs/korea/index.cgi?read=53789

They want an E-2 transfer visa or permanent resident visa. What the E-2 transfer means is that you already have a main job that sponsors your E-2 visa, they want to be the second work place on the visa but will not sponsor it themselves.

Pay is 2.8 million won for 25 hrs (max) a week, so think 4-5 hours a day max. It doesn't state time but these jobs are usually 12/1pm to 5/6pm.

So if you had a position, like a kindergarten or adult school, to sponsor your visa and the hours worked out these kind of jobs are great for doubling your income.

[Andy!!]

Originally Posted by squeakyduck

Jisan this weekend anyone?

Sorry, heading to Jeju for the summer hols. Have a good one lads

[daesu]

Originally Posted by Andy!!

Sorry, heading to Jeju for the summer hols. Have a good one lads

First time ? I highly recommend the black pig (huk dey-ji 흑돼지). Ignore anyone who tells you anything nasty about their diet, that was in the past, not these days.

Make sure you go to Seongsan Ilchulbong. http://english.visitkorea.or.kr/enu/...jsp?cid=264207

Hiking up it will take you a few hours but it's worth it.

[Brokentime]

Originally Posted by Ads by Google

I've mentioned that people should consider Vietnam before in this thread but no one cares.. Keeps supply low.

heard this and was interested; I'm contracted for 3 years to this job, but might make a move afterwards, if the missus can get a job there too.

Tell us why it's so good

[camoramo]

Originally Posted by daesu

In what kind of employment? Hagwon? The majority of Hagwons couldn't care less what qualifications you have. As long as you're a foreigner and speak english.

When I spoke about benefits I talked about Universities but I should also have mentioned public schools and adult schools. There are a lot of good jobs out there and they actually do care about your suitability for the role so someone with a major in english is obviously in a better position than someone with another major.



I didn't say it made a salary difference anywhere but you're right it can in public schools and other positions.

All I'm saying is that people with a major in English are in a much better position to get one of the better jobs than someone else.

If 50 people send their resumes for a job teaching english and 49 of them have degrees in engineering/science, 1 guy has a degree in English, then, not considering other factors it's obvious who the school are going to want to hire.

Yes I completely agree that it would be beneficial over another major, but the biggest concern with different recruiters that I used was the fact that I wasn't American/ Canadian.
It's good to know about future prospects in the universities though!

The first hagwon interview I had I was able to negotiate a better salary but didn't get the job (probably why ).

After that it didn't change much. YBM were only offering 2.0 and I asked would my English degree not push that up and they said only if I had photographic proof of teaching experience along with it. I actually did but that only brought it to 2.05 so I took a job elsewhere.

The fact is that this year it has gotten much more competitive as more people are applying and there have been cutbacks in the public schools. I definitely would recommend doing a combined TEFL. I did an online one and one school was concerned about it only being online.

The job I got in the end I didn't even do an interview for, I just made a video clip and they were impressed so that saved me getting up at stupid o'clock

[squeakyduck]

I'm gonna do Jeju soon.But Jisan exceeded all expectations!!

Best weekend to date....need a serious early night tonight!

[fleet]

Originally Posted by Andy!!

To be honest I would really love to do a year in China; not sure I could live with a moldy apartment in a smog ridden city though. Methinks I would have to be far more cautious in choosing a position in China than I was with Korea. Though I really lucked out here, I got a great hagwon, was all chance really.

I work 23 hours (20 contact, 3 office) + lesson planning, teaching kids in China.
Two and half days a week. Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I really can't complain!

6000RMB a month (about €770) + accomodation (decent). Virtually all that is take home (say 5880RMB after all tax and utilities).
You could save about half that, which isn't much, but you'd still be living like a king.

Not all cities are smog ridden, but it's widespread problem in winter for sure.

[Brokentime]

Originally Posted by fleet

I work 23 hours (20 contact, 3 office) + lesson planning, teaching kids in China.
Two and half days a week. Friday, Saturday and Sunday. I really can't complain!

6000RMB a month (about €770) + accomodation (decent). Virtually all that is take home (say 5880RMB after all tax and utilities).
You could save about half that, which isn't much, but you'd still be living like a king.

Not all cities are smog ridden, but it's widespread problem in winter for sure.

What part of China are you in?

[shivers84]

Hi I'm thinking of moving to Daejon. Can you tell me what it's like to live there? Are there many English speakers and what is the social scene like?

[squeakyduck]

Originally Posted by shivers84

Hi I'm thinking of moving to Daejon. Can you tell me what it's like to live there? Are there many English speakers and what is the social scene like?

Daejeonite here! It's a nice city. There is a good foreign population here and plenty places to go out in. Daejeon is smack bang in the middle of South Korea so it's easy to up to Seoul or down to Busan/Daegu.

[JJayoo]

Hiya guys

Have just been offered a job in Jinju. To be honest after reading the contract I am having my doubts about it. I am using a recruiter and this is the first job they have presented me with. Since contacting them they have told me to forget about trying to get a job in Busan or Seoul and are really trying to push this job.

The terms are 1pm-9pm five days a week and the salary is 2.1 million won. The recruiters are refusing to forward the last teachers email address.

Just want to hear people opinions

[R.D. aka MR.D]

Originally Posted by JJayoo

Hiya guys

Have just been offered a job in Jinju. To be honest after reading the contract I am having my doubts about it. I am using a recruiter and this is the first job they have presented me with. Since contacting them they have told me to forget about trying to get a job in Busan or Seoul and are really trying to push this job.

The terms are 1pm-9pm five days a week and the salary is 2.1 million won. The recruiters are refusing to forward the last teachers email address.

Just want to hear people opinions

What is their reason for not sending the teachers address? Seems strange....

[JJayoo]

I have asked a number of times, and each time I am giving an excuse. First it was because the last teacher was from South Africa, apparently being from SA means I shouldn't want to hear his opinion???

The second email was a long rant about how the teacher was very rude and always complaining about being bored.

[R.D. aka MR.D]

Originally Posted by JJayoo

I have asked a number of times, and each time I am giving an excuse. First it was because the last teacher was from South Africa, apparently being from SA means I shouldn't want to hear his opinion???

The second email was a long rant about how the teacher was very rude and always complaining about being bored.

It's up to you but personally that would be a red flag for me. They should be able to provide you with an email.

Don't panic, be patient, you'll get a job.