[hullaballoo]

There's a difference between calling someone a fat [expletive] and a useless [expletive].

If you discount the expletives, then you get to the point. We should be entitled to call our politicians useless, if that's what we think. If you want to get rid of cursing, that's another policy requirement altogether.

[K-9]

Originally Posted by hullaballoo

There's a difference between calling someone a fat [expletive] and a useless [expletive].

If you discount the expletives, then you get to the point. We should be entitled to call our politicians useless, if that's what we think. If you want to get rid of cursing, that's another policy requirement altogether.

Well there are plenty of posters in Politics who've no problem calling them useless etc., we don't allow abuse and it doesn't seem to lessen the forum at all.

[Brutal Deluxe]

Originally Posted by hullaballoo

There's a difference between calling someone a fat [expletive] and a useless [expletive].

If you discount the expletives, then you get to the point. We should be entitled to call our politicians useless, if that's what we think. If you want to get rid of cursing, that's another policy requirement altogether.

Well calling someone useless is an opinion.

Calling someone a name is well, useless.

It's basically: you can call them whatever you like if you can prove it. Within reasonm obviously.

[Madam_X]

Originally Posted by Varied

The closing admin post on that thread is disgraceful tbh.

I thought there was a sitewide "don't be a dick" policy.

Indeed. And the same two people jumping on WindSock to have a go at her giving feedback on the Feedback forum, and then the most vocal of the two pretending not to know what she's talking about when she calls them up on it. Do they feel some sort of duty to Boards.ie or something?

With regards to the policy: if I for instance want to say "Eoghan Harris is a reprehensible human being" then why can't I? I guess I would support why though.

[Frada]

Originally Posted by Micky Dolenz

We do however see your point and your recent feedback has certainly highlighted an issue that we feel needs addressing. The whole celeb/private figure bashing was brought to our attention, maybe a year and a half ago. In that time we have enforced it when it was brought to our attention. It is nearly a non written rule among the community now, but non written rules don't hold up under scrutiny. We are aware of the general site wide policy but it really doesn't make it crystal clear.

In light of this, we have amended the AH charter to address this.

Originally Posted by WindSock

That's top of the pops, Micky. Thanks for your civil input and understanding of the issue highlighted.

Excellent work, you two. Very grown up. I hope we've all learned a civility lesson in modding/cmodding/adminning from this interaction.

[WindSock]

Pfft. You obviously just missed the post I'm after deleting...

[TouchingVirus]

Originally Posted by Onixx

Indeed. And the same two people jumping on WindSock to have a go at her giving feedback on the Feedback forum, and then the most vocal of the two pretending not to know what she's talking about when she calls them up on it. Do they feel some sort of duty to Boards.ie or something?

Since you're very clearly talking to me, I'll answer. I owe Boards.ie nothing, no "duty" nor anything like it.

Was I harsh/hostile in the beginning of the other thread? Yes, and I apologise to WindSock for that.

Was I harsh/hostile in the beginning of this thread? No, I was offering another suggestion since the initial thread ended up binned. There was no feigning innocence in my response. If you or Windsock called me on the first thread I'd agree I was hostile.

Would I highlight my exasperation at the OP differently next time? Yes.

Do I regret it? Not entirely. I stand by my opinion that the vagueness of the original post made it come across like a whinge. I still disagree on the very need for this thread - a PM to a Mod or Cat Mod asking them to highlight the policy better via a charter/sticky/announcement would most likely have led to a constructive conversation about this and a resolution much quicker than the month that it took.

Anybody who has spent any amount of time on this site knows that sometimes the first place to go if you would like something changed is directly to the people responsibly for fostering activity in the various sub-communities - the mods/cat mods.

There are many, many things wrong with this site and community. Some are small, some are more symptomatic of deeper issues. This is not a harmonious place, and feedback is almost never positive. There will be people who agree and who disagree with topics here, we're not all on the same page. I will continue to engage on here as I have done but in future I'll endeavour to leave out anything that is, or can be perceived as, hostile.

[RUCKING FETARD]

Thanks for that.

[Captain Darling]

Where is all the white women at?

[WindSock]

Originally Posted by TouchingVirus

Since you're very clearly talking to me, I'll answer. I owe Boards.ie nothing, no "duty" nor anything like it.

Was I harsh/hostile in the beginning of the other thread? Yes, and I apologise to WindSock for that.

Was I harsh/hostile in the beginning of this thread? No, I was offering another suggestion since the initial thread ended up binned. There was no feigning innocence in my response. If you or Windsock called me on the first thread I'd agree I was hostile.

It is all one thread as far as I am concerned, after the other one being locked needlessly. But thank you for your apology and acknowledgement of the unnecessary hostility in this forum.

Would I highlight my exasperation at the OP differently next time? Yes.

Do I regret it? Not entirely. I stand by my opinion that the vagueness of the original post made it come across like a whinge. I still disagree on the very need for this thread - a PM to a Mod or Cat Mod asking them to highlight the policy better via a charter/sticky/announcement would most likely have led to a constructive conversation about this and a resolution much quicker than the month that it took.

Anybody who has spent any amount of time on this site knows that sometimes the first place to go if you would like something changed is directly to the people responsibly for fostering activity in the various sub-communities - the mods/cat mods.

Well that's where I disagree. I think change comes from feedback and a general consensus with discussing issues highlighted so the whole community can see and be involved, instead of a few PM's that may lead to nothing that no one knows about. Already there was some discussion on this thread about what is and isn't abuse, I think that's a good thing.

There are many, many things wrong with this site and community. Some are small, some are more symptomatic of deeper issues. This is not a harmonious place, and feedback is almost never positive. There will be people who agree and who disagree with topics here, we're not all on the same page. I will continue to engage on here as I have done but in future I'll endeavour to leave out anything that is, or can be perceived as, hostile.

Indeed, one of the biggest problems that I have with the site is users feeling they can't start a thread in Feedback without being shot down for it and having their thread locked with a curt reply as a garnishing. It defeats the purpose of this website...it being a discussion based one.