[dubhthach]

Originally Posted by foggy_lad

The bolded bit is what i don't understand, How is electrification of any railway in England/UK going to affect Ireland?

Is it a case of wow they are getting a new electric train set on the Mainland but nothing for us here on the islands?

I assume Ossian likes to take the boat as oppose to cattle tru<-cough->-Ryanair.

With regards to BRT I haven't heard anything further about the project to have a BRT from St. Vincents (2-5minute walk from Dart) to the Luas at Sandyford Business park as of late. When it was initially proposed it was to partially run on the motorway reservation for the Eastern Bypass. Thus putting a scotch on that route which an earlier form of is is present in Sponge's map.

[BluntGuy]

Might be a little off the topic, but with regards to Luas BXD, have they ever produced documentation explaining how they'll deal with the issue of it passing over future MN/DU stops?

[MYOB]

Originally Posted by Judgement Day

Still it's an ill wind and all the Turkish road building contractors must be rubbing their hands.

Name a Turkish road building contractor that got a contract in the last 7-8 years. Oh wait, there aren't any.


Public transport projects involve spending huge sums of money outside the state, purchasing vehicles or specialist knowledge we don't have.

Everything in this plan is money that will be spent *in Ireland*.

[AngryLips]

Originally Posted by MYOB

Public transport projects involve spending huge sums of money outside the state, purchasing vehicles or specialist knowledge we don't have.

Actually, the large road building programme embarked upon during the boom saw a great deal of local specialist knowledge built up over that time, any investment in transport infrastructure would ensure that this knowledge is retained and not lost overseas.

[monument]

From today's Sindo: Colm McCarthy: Borrowing for non-essential projects will delay recovery. On the extension southwards of the M11 motorway, he says:

Data for February 2012 were not collected. For the four months of January plus March to May, the daily average for the last five years has shown a steady pattern of decline. The averages have been 8,175 vehicles per day in 2008, 7,887 in 2009, 7,430 in 2010, 7,274 in 2011 and 6,835 in the current year. The cumulative decline is 16 per cent over these years.

A four-lane motorway of the type proposed for the Gorey to Enniscorthy section can accommodate comfortably 50,000 to 60,000 vehicles per day and the motorway sections close to the larger cities already cater for volumes at these levels. An ordinary two-lane undivided road is rarely congested at volumes below 10,000 or 12,000. The existing road south of Gorey, in other words, is not a 'bottleneck' in any normal usage of the term.

There's a place for improving roads but this kind of over spec at a time like this is madness.

Originally Posted by MYOB

Name a Turkish road building contractor that got a contract in the last 7-8 years. Oh wait, there aren't any.

Public transport projects involve spending huge sums of money outside the state, purchasing vehicles or specialist knowledge we don't have.

Everything in this plan is money that will be spent *in Ireland*.

How many cars are made in Ireland?

[OssianSmyth]

Originally Posted by BluntGuy

Might be a little off the topic, but with regards to Luas BXD, have they ever produced documentation explaining how they'll deal with the issue of it passing over future MN/DU stops?

This is their plan...

http://www.pleanala.ie/news/NA0004/document3.pdf

(in short: the plan is to support the Luas tracks and maintain operation while the stations are excavated beneath)

[dubhthach]

Type I dual carriageway has a capacity of 38,100/day according to NRA road specifications. It wouldn't have done Colm any harm to actually read that before claiming the figure is on order of 50-60,000/day. Personally I would have put the M20 ahead of the M11 (south of Gorey -- Arklow gap is essential), however it wasn't shovel ready.

Is the state purchasing Cars in this capital program? Last time I looked it wasn't, however obviously it will be purchasing large quantity of road materials sourced in Ireland such as Sand, Asphalt, Concrete, gravel etc.

Of course if I was really been biased I would have said the whole "stimulus" should have been put into Nets&Comms + Smart metering. After all it's reckoned that you could basically do FTTH (Fibre to the Home) for 90% of premises in the country for about €1.5 billion, throw in Smart Meter/Water meter and you'd definetly end up with good results down the road (1Gbit/s internet anyone?), would definitely help with the telecommuting that's for sure.

[bk]

How many cars are made in Ireland?

Neither are trains. Though buses are partly built up in Northern Ireland.

I agree that investing in a national fibre to the home network would have been much better for the Irish economy.

[Sponge Bob]

Rabbitte has no proposal for fibre and so roads got the lions share.

[Sponge Bob]

McCarthy is a public front for the Dept of Finance and about as 'independent ' as the Republic of Laois.

[MYOB]

Originally Posted by monument

How many cars are made in Ireland?

Can you point to where in the plan the state is buying cars?

[monument]

Originally Posted by dubhthach

Of course if I was really been biased I would have said the whole "stimulus" should have been put into Nets&Comms + Smart metering. After all it's reckoned that you could basically do FTTH (Fibre to the Home) for 90% of premises in the country for about €1.5 billion, throw in Smart Meter/Water meter and you'd definetly end up with good results down the road (1Gbit/s internet anyone?), would definitely help with the telecommuting that's for sure.

That's not being "biased" it's thinking how the state should be thinking!

But if they cared about it there would have been a plan in place.

Originally Posted by dubhthach

however obviously it will be purchasing large quantity of road materials sourced in Ireland such as Sand, Asphalt, Concrete, gravel etc.

Same would have happened with BRT or rail.

Originally Posted by dubhthach

Is the state purchasing Cars in this capital program?

Originally Posted by MYOB

Can you point to where in the plan the state is buying cars?

Oh, come off it. Whether it's the state or end user, both public transport and private vehicles are imported.

Originally Posted by Sponge Bob

McCarthy is a public front for the Dept of Finance and about as 'independent ' as the Republic of Laois.

I'm by no means saying he's always right, in fact I disagree with him often -- that does not mean he cannot be right at times.

[MYOB]

Originally Posted by monument

Same would have happened with BRT or rail.

With the bulk of the funding being poured outside the state on vehicles.

Originally Posted by monument

Oh, come off it. Whether it's the state or end user, both public transport and private vehicles are imported.

Where in the plan is there any provision for the state *or* end users to buy cars, then?

The roads in the plan are to move *existing* traffic which, amazingly, has already been bought, out of choked towns.

[Judgement Day]

Originally Posted by MYOB

Name a Turkish road building contractor that got a contract in the last 7-8 years. Oh wait, there aren't any.


Public transport projects involve spending huge sums of money outside the state, purchasing vehicles or specialist knowledge we don't have.

Everything in this plan is money that will be spent *in Ireland*.

Your 7/8 year cut-off is very convenient as it just excludes the Gama fiasco on the Ennis Bypass - you're being slightly economical with the truth.

http://www.nra.ie/News/PressReleases...t,2475,en.html

http://buckplanning.blogspot.ie/2008...-lost-45m.html

[MYOB]

Originally Posted by Judgement Day

Your 7/8 year cut-off is very convenient as it just excludes the Gama fiasco on the Ennis Bypass - you're being slightly economical with the truth.

http://www.nra.ie/News/PressReleases...t,2475,en.html

http://buckplanning.blogspot.ie/2008...-lost-45m.html

GAMA are never going to be awarded another contract, regardless. 7-8 years covers the vast bulk of the motorway network as well as current precedent.

Care to find one in that period? Because there isn't one.