[largepants]

Originally Posted by blackbelt

With respect, why should the GAA offices be open over the weekend to accomodate a player being eligible in time?Why should that game take precedence over a player who doesn't play hurling.If there was a mass brawl in the match, that issue would be taken up the following week just like the scoreline and registration of a player in what grade he plays in.

I do not know too much about Coill Dubh except that it is a sister club of St Kevins but if I was a manager of the Coill Dubh hurling club, I would not like to be used like that.

I'm not suggesting that the GAA Offices be open over the weekend. I'm merely stating if the powers that be, who had questioned the transparency of SJ's transfer, had shown a sliver of transparency themselves then its shouldn't have come him playing hurling. Perhaps the GAA should take the time to tighten up on their own rules. While it was a totally different scenario didn't your own county take advantage of a technicality within the rules last year? Thats all Kildare GAA did.I'm sure the manager of Coill Dubh is well capable of making hi sown decisions without being influenced by outsiders. Maybe he had hos own reasons for 'playing' SJ.

[DARK-KNIGHT]

Lads open another seanie thread if you want this thread is about the match not about seanies transfer or anyone commenting on coill dubh to be fair!!!

Getting really tired of all this seanie stuff now it's been played out to death at this stage

[aidan24326]

And with all the fuss and furore he still hasn't kicked a ball for Kildare. Much ado about nothing at this stage.

[celt262]

Yeah and after Sunday he wont kick one for rest of year for them either

[blackbelt]

Originally Posted by DARK-KNIGHT

Lads open another seanie thread if you want this thread is about the match not about seanies transfer or anyone commenting on coill dubh to be fair!!!

Getting really tired of all this seanie stuff now it's been played out to death at this stage

DK, I shall remind you of backseat modding.This topic unfortunately is very relevent to proceedings this coming Sunday due to the fixture and who may/may not be involved.

Mod hat back off, yes Largepants I do not know if pressure was put on the Coill Dubh manager to play SJ. I think there may have been but the fact of the matter is that the GAA have a policy on how players transfer and are eligible.The criteria would have needed to be reviewed by the Kildare County Board CCCC meeting and then passed up in documentation to support the eligibility.

The loophole is you can declare for another county from the parent rule or change of residency. While SJ provided some documentation from the latter, the Cavan County Board delayed this by referring back to the CCCC who in turn had doubts and delayed the process further.

[Lemlin]

Originally Posted by blackbelt

No denying that they went to great lengths but the point was brought up on the Hill during the Meath- Kildare game and it made sense. I am unsure of the process in making the player eligible and how Croke Park would recognise it but I would have thought that the match report would have to be signed off by the referee, reviewed by the county board and their CCC meetings with possibly a copy sent to Croke Park.Using the hurling club like that seems underhanded though.

I will again state that your view could be correct and does make sense but, as I've said, every media outlet in the country states that Johnston was eligible to play. I would have thought by now that someone from Kildare county board or the media would have pointed out that Johnston was not eligible for the game if he was not.

For me, he was eligible. Only McGeeney knows why he didn't play but one article I did read mentioned that McGeeney will only pick players who are fit and available for selection for a game from the Thursday before the match. How true that is I don't know to be honest but it seems a more realistic excuse for his lack of participation to me.

[aidan24326]

Originally Posted by celt262

Yeah and after Sunday he wont kick one for rest of year for them either

Do you really think Cavan will beat Kildare? A while ago I'd have said this was a penalty kick for Kildare, but now I'm not so sure. They didn't impress me at all against Meath. The old failings persist. Too much short passing, poor shot selection, failure to turn possession into scores etc etc

Man for man they still have better players than Cavan I would say, but I just wonder how much damage this Johnston affair has actually done? Or was it just a revitalised Meath? At the moment I think Kildare are there for the taking if Cavan really believe in themselves.

[Greenngold]

The Cavan defence is far too loose, can't see anyway we will stop the Kildare forwards, Fermanagh without their main forward Seamus Quigley kicked 15 points against us. Unless we do what Donegal did against Dublin last year and play 13 men in defence, and pray we can get a few scores.

Love to be optimistic but Kildare are alot better than Fermanagh, even if they aren't in the top 4 teams in the country.

[aidan24326]

Kildare's forwards aren't actually that good though. They kick a lot of wides. Even the much lauded Johnny Doyle kicks more wides than he does scores. They're a team that's very fit, very well drilled, tactically good etc, but they don't have natural footballers and for me they've no chance of winning an All-Ireland because any time they meet a team with better natural footballers they'll be found out.

[Lemlin]

Originally Posted by aidan24326

Kildare's forwards aren't actually that good though. They kick a lot of wides. Even the much lauded Johnny Doyle kicks more wides than he does scores. They're a team that's very fit, very well drilled, tactically good etc, but they don't have natural footballers and for me they've no chance of winning an All-Ireland because any time they meet a team with better natural footballers they'll be found out.

Cavan are a team that will allow them chances though, and alot more time for shot selection. As Greenngold says, the Cavan backline is the problem.

It's a poor reflection on the corner backs in the county when the last Cavan manager Andrews reverted to picking players who had never played at corner back for club or county before (Ronan Flanagan, Stephen Jordan) and the new manager seems to think his best corner backs include two lads under the age of 20 (Killian Clarke, Jason McLoughlin). Clarke is only fresh out of minor and could be marking Johnny Doyle for example.

I wouldn't be fooled by any of this talk discounting Kildare after the Meath game. They aren't as good as the hype I agree but they are a solid team who are certainly in the top 8 in the country IMO. Cavan are a long way from that level. We couldn't even beat Offaly in the league and look at the trouncing Kildare gave them.

If Cavan are within 6 points at the end, I'll be happy. That's a performance that will show our young players that there is hope for the future.

[DARK-KNIGHT]

Originally Posted by celt262

Yeah and after Sunday he wont kick one for rest of year for them either

What do you mean by that?

[DARK-KNIGHT]

Originally Posted by blackbelt

DK, I shall remind you of backseat modding.This topic unfortunately is very relevent to proceedings this coming Sunday due to the fixture and who may/may not be involved.

Mod hat back off, yes Largepants I do not know if pressure was put on the Coill Dubh manager to play SJ. I think there may have been but the fact of the matter is that the GAA have a policy on how players transfer and are eligible.The criteria would have needed to be reviewed by the Kildare County Board CCCC meeting and then passed up in documentation to support the eligibility.

The loophole is you can declare for another county from the parent rule or change of residency. While SJ provided some documentation from the latter, the Cavan County Board delayed this by referring back to the CCCC who in turn had doubts and delayed the process further.

It was a good point I made not back seat modding!! User hat back on!!!

So it's ok for modes to go off topic but if anyone thinks that's wrong mod conveniently then acts mod??? Come on black belt will you!!

[celt262]

Originally Posted by DARK-KNIGHT

What do you mean by that?

Will be out of the championship

[Lemlin]

Originally Posted by DARK-KNIGHT

It was a good point I made not back seat modding!! User hat back on!!!

So it's ok for modes to go off topic but if anyone thinks that's wrong mod conveniently then acts mod??? Come on black belt will you!!

How has he gone off topic?

This is a topic about a Cavan Kildare game and he is posting about a player who used to play for one team and now plays for the other.

[celt262]

Originally Posted by Lemlin

How has he gone off topic?

This is a topic about a Cavan Kildare game and he is posting about a player who used to play for one team and now plays for the other.

What yas were talking about was whether he could have played against meath and lots of off topic stuff in realation to it.

Should have been in the Meath V Kildare match thread.