[gaffer91]

Originally Posted by Eli Manning

No, the state should not have to pay for alcohol for people. This country is embarrassing with attitudes like this.

An attitude that we should maintain a basic sense of decency to people less fortunate than us? It's a small comfort, and it's putting money back in the economy, don't see the big problem. Just because someone is on the dole and enjoys a few drinks a week doesn't make him/her an alcoholic "scrounger" who has no intention of working again.

Just because you are paying tax and a jobseeker temporarily isn't doesn't mean you have a right to control his or her life.

[Eli Manning]

Originally Posted by Ellis Dee

Why not just lock them up in workhouses and control every morsel they eat, every drop (of water only, naturally) they drink, what rags they wear, how often they wash and with what kind of soap, make them sleep in gender-segregated dormitories ---

Yessir, the USA can play a pioneering role here and we'll all line up to follow their example.

--- And wonder why no one ever thought of it before.

Storing them in warehouses may accrue the state with storing charges and such so don't be so ridiculous.

It's not a ridiculous suggestion actually.

[Sulla Felix]

Doesn't work. People buy stuff like pampers and sell them door to door for little or nothing to buy a bit of booze. Was tried before in Philly in the eighties.

[Dartz]

Originally Posted by Eli Manning

When a man is better off living off the state than working in it there is something horribly wrong.

I'll agree with that part.

It says something about the accumulated costs of working, such as car ownership or public transport, doesn't it? Like maybe, the cost of living in this country might be a little too high?


On the other hand, the dole isn't just for week-to-week living. I've also used my dole money to replace a mobile phone that broke on me (Which I use to speak with employers), and have ordered a laptop computer which I will need for an internship I am due to start (My current machine has a faulty screen.).

Some would call these luxuries. But considering that I missed out on a job interview because my phone dropped the call, I wouldn't.

And if I managed to arrange my finances and budget so I can spend a little more on things that might make the dull drudgery of existance that little more bearable, bollox to anyone being a self-righteous git taking it away.

[mattjack]

Originally Posted by Jesus Shaves

I'll see your 2 and offer you 2 food vouchers in lieu of 1 rollseyes smiley

Let me see, I don't think you can beat my social welfare buggy and a bus pass.

[Eli Manning]

Originally Posted by gaffer91

An attitude that we should maintain a basic sense of decency to people less fortunate than us? It's a small comfort, and it's putting money back in the economy, don't see the big problem. Just because someone is on the dole and enjoys a few drinks a week doesn't make him/her an alcoholic "scrounger" who has no intention of working again.

Just because you are paying tax and a jobseeker temporarily isn't doesn't mean you have a right to control his or her life.

It's not decent to provide someone who is living off the state free drink.

and lol at pumping money into the economy. I hope that's a joke.

[starviewadams]

Will just lead to a massive black market and increased crime rates.America seem to love locking their citizens up so I can see why they'd be interested in introducing this system,but our economy/Gardai/prisons are at breaking point already so this system would be a disaster if brought in here,which it won't be anyways.

[Jesus Shaves]

Originally Posted by mattjack

Let me see, I don't think you can beat my social welfare buggy and a bus pass.

I'll take your buggy and get a handout for my youngests communion to be paid for

[Jesus Shaves]

Originally Posted by Eli Manning

and lol at pumping money into the economy. I hope that's a joke.

I think you'll find that all the money a person on social welfare receives goes back into the economy

[Brutal Deluxe]

Originally Posted by Eli Manning

It's not decent to provide someone who is living off the state free drink.

and lol at pumping money into the economy. I hope that's a joke.

You're being sarcastic, right?

[My name is URL]

At least they can still buy guns

[Sinfonia]

Land of the free indeed.

How ridiculous that anybody would support this idea. Those who work and complain about how the recipients of 'their' tax money spend it should consider how very, very little an individual actually contributes. The purpose of social welfare is that we, as a supposedly civilised society, help each other rather than simply allow the unemployed to die. If you work your fingers to the bone 70 hours a week running your own business and can't afford a few drinks, you are either bad with money, or bad at running your business. Or lying.

(As is common in AH threads) if one thinks that being unemployed and on the dole is a better life than yours, go on the dole. If one thinks that prisoners have a better life than you, go to prison. If one thinks foreigners have it better than you, move. If you're not happy with how your country operates, find another one. You have options. Don't just **** all over everyone else if you're unhappy with your station in life. Don't worry about the fiver some unemployed person spends on a few cans of Tyskie.

Some of the people who post here are so right wing it's ****ing scary.

[vard]

Originally Posted by gaffer91

An attitude that we should maintain a basic sense of decency to people less fortunate than us? It's a small comfort, and it's putting money back in the economy, don't see the big problem. Just because someone is on the dole and enjoys a few drinks a week doesn't make him/her an alcoholic "scrounger" who has no intention of working again.

Just because you are paying tax and a jobseeker temporarily isn't doesn't mean you have a right to control his or her life.

Then scrap the dole and there you go - control your own life. That's not a viable alternative though is it?

People on welfare are better off than those working. There's the problem. Justify that without using some silly squiffy eyed smiley face.

You don't get to demand tax funded party time while the majority of people who pay for it can't afford the same thing through working.

If (it's an utter disgrace if it's the case) dole money is high enough that people are able to save up and get sloshed at the end of the week it should be chopped, slashed and redistributed so that those who really need it get the support they need. I work with people who have become homeless; have had to go without food; have lost their jobs - too many other scandelous situations to mention; Pints are the last of their worries.

People are struggling to survive. If there's money left in the pot it should be put to use in subsidising employment and saving the dwindling industrious minority this country needs if it's to find a way towards recovery. Or - since you probably don't care about recovery - let's put it another way: The people you need if you want to keep going out and getting hammered every weekend.

[Chuck Stone]

Originally Posted by vard

People on welfare are better off than those working.

Ah yeah, stagnating on the dole, having your confidence sapped away and becoming socially isolated is better than having a weekly wage, being involved with your colleagues, progressing in your career/life, adding value to your CV and skills.

Such astounding ignorance.

[Nodin]

Originally Posted by crapmanjoe

USA has passed a federal law requiring all states to come up with system / laws / legislation to prevent the use of welfare in liquor stores, gambling establishments and adult entertainment businesses by 2014.

Do not want to get into a dole bashing argument here ......

....then you're going a very strange way about it.