[Sully]

You may have spotted this a while ago, but its in the news again in Waterford today as the People Before Profit in Waterford are objecting to it because it "a vulnerable section of society".

Drinking in public is already illegal, but new bye-laws would allow the city to levy on the spot fines to offenders.Fine Gael City Councillor John Cummins says the laws are fair and equal.He also says they will assist in residential estates affected by anti-social behaviour.However the laws have been criticised by the People Before Profit organisation.Their spokesman John Cloono says it targets a vulnerable section of society.

Source: http://www.wlrfm.com/news-and-sport/...ws/156261.html

Personally, I fail to see how it does. How is one who drinks on the street part of a "vulnerable section of society"?! I don't see any problem with the Gardai telling people in Waterford to stop drinking on the streets or be fined Waterford is suffering a lot from anti-social behaviour, especially with students. These laws could only help curb the problem.

[ziedth]

I'd have two concerns:

Smoking areas like the Kazbar, would they be effected?

Things like BBQ's in an Estate if your walking between houses or with kids out the front and you have your bottle.

If both these aren't effected I'd be all for it. The vulnerable section of society line is both bewildering and nonsense....

[calvin_zola]

id like to see them try and enforce it during a festival like the tall ships etc when a lot including tourists etc are floating around with plastic cups and cans during the day...

[Sully]

Originally Posted by calvin_zola

id like to see them try and enforce it during a festival like the tall ships etc when a lot including tourists etc are floating around with plastic cups and cans during the day...

There are exemptions for festivals usually.

[Chinpool]

Originally Posted by calvin_zola

id like to see them try and enforce it during a festival like the tall ships etc when a lot including tourists etc are floating around with plastic cups and cans during the day...

Theyre by laws and can be relaxed for public festivals like the tall-ships and spraoi.
Smoking areas are private property so wouldnt be affected.

I think theyre needed. Any sniff of sun and you automatically have scang shirts off in public greens like ballybricken just being an intimidating nuisance. And since we're not allowed shoot them this will have to do

[S28382]

Originally Posted by The Great Chinholio

Any sniff of sun and you automatically have scang shirts off in public greens like ballybricken just being an intimidating nuisance. And since we're not allowed shoot them this will have to do

God yeah they have their shirts off trackie bottoms tucked into their socks, baseball caps barely on their heads all the while holding the same can of warm dutch gold for an hour.

[Nypd]

Originally Posted by The Great Chinholio

Theyre by laws and can be relaxed for public festivals like the tall-ships and spraoi.
Smoking areas are private property so wouldnt be affected.

I think theyre needed. Any sniff of sun and you automatically have scang shirts off in public greens like ballybricken just being an intimidating nuisance. And since we're not allowed shoot them this will have to do

The Kazbar smoking area would be a public area wouldn't it ?
It's a foot path I'm fairness.

[BlaasForRafa]

I'd have two concerns:

Smoking areas like the Kazbar, would they be effected?

Things like BBQ's in an Estate if your walking between houses or with kids out the front and you have your bottle.

I'd hope that the cops would be able to use common sense in such situations. I doubt that they'd come in Judge Dredd style and start smacking heads at the local summer barbecue

If both these aren't effected I'd be all for it. The vulnerable section of society line is both bewildering and nonsense...

People before profit are just doing their usual protest for the sake of it shtick, "its a capitalist conspiracy against the workin class mate!"

[Chinpool]

Originally Posted by Nypd

The Kazbar smoking area would be a public area wouldn't it ?
It's a foot path I'm fairness.

Its cordoned off so I would guess they have some control over the area like the front of revolution

[Sully]

Originally Posted by Nypd

The Kazbar smoking area would be a public area wouldn't it ?
It's a foot path I'm fairness.

Doubt it would apply to that area! Otherwise the bar would have been told to lockup along time ago!

[THall04]

If it goes through.......
(taken from www.waterfordcity.ie/documents/.../byelaws2012-draftdocument.doc)

Some places you won't be able to drink

(a) a place to which the public normally can and do have access, to include open spaces, public parks, green spaces and amenity areas, car parks, parking places, appointed taxi stand, including boardwalk’s, rivers, river banks and towpaths, playgrounds, pitches, walkways and such like places.
(b) any public highway, footpath, footway or road in the functional area

(c) any outdoor area, premises or other place to which members of the public have or are permitted to have access, whether as of right, as a trespasser or by express or implied invitation, permission or otherwise, or whether on payment or otherwise.

(d) any cemetery, church, churchyard or their curtilage

(e) any place to which the public have access with vehicles whether as of right or by permission and whether subject to or free of charge

(f) anywhere else contiguous with any of the foregoing and/or as may be designated as a “public place” under any other enactment

(g) any part of the foreshore and any coastal waters within or adjoining the functional area

Some places you can have a drink

a) a private house or dwelling or the garden or curtilage of such house or dwelling only in so far as concerns any activity of the owner or occupier or of a person therein or thereon as of right or with the express or implied permission of the owner or occupier;

b) any premises licensed for the consumption of intoxicating liquor during the hours authorised for sale and consumption of Intoxicating Liquor pursuant to the Licensing Acts 1833 to 2008 as amended, adapted or extended by or under any subsequent enactment;


c) any tables and chairs outside a hotel, restaurant or public house or other such premises which are designated by the Minister as defined by the (Planning and Development) Act 2000

The fine
The amount of the fixed payment is €75.00 or such other sum as may be prescribed from time to time under Regulations by the Minister for the Environment, Community & Local Government in the exercise of the powers conferred on him by Sections 4, 200 and 206 of the Local Government Act 2001 and the said fixed payment must be paid within 21 days of the date of service of such notice in order to avoid prosecution.

Exceptions
11Notwithstanding the provisions of these Bye-Laws the City Manager (or such person(s) authorised by him ), on an application being made to him prior to the occasion of such occasion or event may at his discretion and after consultation with the Gardai relax the provisions of these Bye-Laws in whole or in part on the occasion of:


(i) major civic celebrations

(ii) major sporting events.

(iii) Special community events.

12 A person who contravenes a provision of these Bye-Laws shall be guilty of an offence and shall be liable on summary conviction for that offence to a fine not exceeding €1,900.

[Sully]

The bits about where you can and cant drink - is that in addition to the existing laws which ban you from drinking on the street?

[Chinpool]

Looks fine to me!

[christmas2012]

clean up the streets ya i think its a fair thing to do might cut out public order offences and minor scuffles or near to fatal ones if it does well then i would welcome it no end..

[jayboi]

what happens if they refuse to pay? a summons? or will the money be stoped out of their dole/college grant?