[7upfree]

Originally Posted by alinton

It was alright, but the charter expired and was not renewed.

So technically Kilkenny is not a city, but under the aforementioned Irish act, it is allowed to call itself 'Kilkenny City' for historic reasons.

A.

Well said.

It has a borough Council not a City Council. Nuff said.

Surely by that logic Clonmel, Dungarvan, Youghal, Ennis etc could also call themselves Cities?

[Junior]

I've decided from hence forth I now live in Bally City, Co. Waterford, declare your city today and soon you can be like kilkenny !

[comeraghs]

Lismore, Ferns & Tuam are also cities! Well they are allowed call themselves cities, so isn't that the same!

[membersonly]

Originally Posted by comeraghs

Lismore, Ferns & Tuam are also cities! Well they are allowed call themselves cities, so isn't that the same!

Who gives a flying f*ck like, seriously?

[merlante]

Originally Posted by comeraghs

Lismore, Ferns & Tuam are also cities! Well they are allowed call themselves cities, so isn't that the same!

Local Government Act, 2001.

Cities:
Local Government Areas (Counties and Cities): Part 2.

Kilkenny clause:
Local government areas.

(7) This section is without prejudice to the continued use of the description city in relation to Kilkenny, to the extent that that description was used before the establishment day and is not otherwise inconsistent with this Act.

Feel free to wear out your keyboard by repeatedly searching for Ferns, Lismore, etc. in that document until reality sinks in.

If only there was a button that would insert this response automatically on all city/Kilkenny/Ferns/Tir na NOg/myFavouriteTownCity threads.

[Green Hornet]

Jeepers folks, what the heck is it with Waterford and Kilkenny on this forum? The fact of the matter is that outside of either 'place', nobody seriously considers either one to be a city!

[S28382]

Waterford is just a large town, Kilkenny is just a town. Now New York is a city, Barcelona is a city, Rome is a city etc...... the only cities in ireland are Dublin and........em Dublin.

[Green Hornet]

Yep. It comes into many threads on here that KK is not really a city and shouldn't be classed as one but in reality Waterford isn't really one either and I don't care about charters and rubbish like that. For me, a city comes down to size - pure and simple.

Gets on my goat that so many threads descend into this Waterford vs Kilkenny rubbish.

[Firegaurd]

Originally Posted by 7upfree

Well said.

It has a borough Council not a City Council. Nuff said.

Surely by that logic Clonmel, Dungarvan, Youghal, Ennis etc could also call themselves Cities?

Fingal and Dun Laoghaire Rathdown have County Councils but that doesn't make them Counties.

[Jason Todd]

Originally Posted by Green Hornet

Yep. It comes into many threads on here that KK is not really a city and shouldn't be classed as one but in reality Waterford isn't really one either and I don't care about charters and rubbish like that. For me, a city comes down to size - pure and simple.

Gets on my goat that so many threads descend into this Waterford vs Kilkenny rubbish.

Have you been reading the thread? It's not a Waterford v Kilkenny thing. It was a Waterford City v RTE thing until people were unsure whether KK was classes as a city or not as RTE believed it was, but it isn't. Really Waterford only a city in name, but if RTE are going to do a show on 4 out of the 5 national cities, the question of why we were excluded had to be asked.

[Green Hornet]

Yes, I did read the thread and it started off well enough but then descended into whether or not KK was a city.......what had that got to do with the OP?

I suppose I'm just venting because I wish that this whole thing didn't come into so many threads. So many seem to veer off into that type of discussion....

[Jason Todd]

Originally Posted by Baby4

I emailed RTE about this. I pointed out Waterford had lots to offer, especially from a historical/folklore, etc point of view- here is the reply I receievd from Peter Mulryan, the series producer:



Dear Baby4,



Thank you for your email concerning ‘Creedon’s Cities’ which as Series Producer was passed to me.



Only four programmes were commissioned in this series on Irish cities, so naturally two cities had to be excluded and even more if we were to include all the island. When I was given this commission, I knew from the outset that some people would not be happy with whatever selection was made, the production team therefore decided to leave personal preferences aside and simply feature the four largest cities in the Republic of Ireland. Therefore Kilkenny and Waterford were excluded this time out, but this is not to say that these cities are not interesting and may not feature in any forthcoming series.



Even though Waterford does is not in this new series, I do hope you will still watch the programmes.



Best wishes,

Peter Mulryan

Series Producer






Should we point out that KK is not actually a city, and so they only excluded one?

Originally Posted by mccarthy37

Kilkenny is a city it was granted a city charter by the British. You should write to the BBC at least they would give you an intelligent reply.

Originally Posted by Green Hornet

Yes, I did read the thread and it started off well enough but then descended into whether or not KK was a city.......what had that got to do with the OP?

I suppose I'm just venting because I wish that this whole thing didn't come into so many threads. So many seem to veer off into that type of discussion....

You just contradicted yourself, so are you annoyed its a Waterford v Kilkenny thing or annoyed that the thread has become whether or not KK is a city?

The posts I've Quoted above show where the confusion about Kilkennys city status arised. I'd be annoyed if the thread did become a Waterford v Kilkenny thing, but I see no sign of that here.

[S28382]

Mr Todd it seems like your looking for a debate thats not really there, i think the Green Hornet was wondering why the KK/Waterford debate sometimes comes up on the forum, i dont think he/she was trying to start the debate about KK/Waterford, the simple fact of the matter is that Waterford is not a city,Kilkenny is not a city nor is Cork/Galway/Limerick so its RTE that have got it wrong, the name of the show should be Creedons towns, and jesus Waterford will still be excluded cause no one loves us.

[Green Hornet]

Couldn't have said it any better myself!

[abouttobebanned]

No one loves us but we shouldn't give a ****. I really wish we'd stop being so obsessed with this city thing, it's embarrassing. I've always said it, I'd rather leave in a great town than a crap city.