[gaza4]

Originally Posted by grugni

Latest rumours suggest a 6th edition boxset of Chaos Vs Dark Angels. Wonder if that means a dark angels codex release before the release of 6th?

thats sounds pretty awesome. i am currently a chaos collector and i have a big soft spot for dark angels since they were my first army way back in 3rd edition so i would probly pick up this set if it comes out...

[Mantel]

Originally Posted by gaza4

thats sounds pretty awesome. i am currently a chaos collector and i have a big soft spot for dark angels since they were my first army way back in 3rd edition so i would probly pick up this set if it comes out...

I think a good few people will pick it up if it's anything like Black Reach. Hopefully they'll have something intresting although the Deffkopter from BR is a bit strange, only place to get it! Hope they don't do that again.

[The Skulls]

So who picked it up? I have & I must say I think it's good overall. Not too sure about 'snap shot' as I feel this will give shooty armies potentially too much of an edge, think the allies matrix should have been given a bit more thought. Would have thought that GW would have released a 'black reach' type box set. Maybe it's a change of business direction? Overall I think it's good, now I just need time & opponents ðŸ˜

[grugni]

One of my friends got a game of it there yesterday, said the entire game system was more streamlined and has removed some of the more frustrating aspects of 5th edition. I have yet to give it a try, I want to read the book in its entirety first!!!

GW put up the 6th edition FAQ's for all codex's last night, I would check them out to see what they do to your army!!!!

[Nody]

Originally Posted by grugni

One of my friends got a game of it there yesterday, said the entire game system was more streamlined and has removed some of the more frustrating aspects of 5th edition. I have yet to give it a try, I want to read the book in its entirety first!!!

GW put up the 6th edition FAQ's for all codex's last night, I would check them out to see what they do to your army!!!!

Make you buy fliers or you'll die to fliers basically...

[grugni]

Originally Posted by Nody

Make you buy fliers or you'll die to fliers basically...

Is it really that bad?

[Nody]

Originally Posted by grugni

Is it really that bad?

Only fliers, one IG gun (Flak gun who no longer can hit ground targets) and fixed gun emplacements can hit fliers on anything but 6s (and those 6s are with a 4+ cover save on top of it). If someone goes all out flier army (like IG or Necrons) they can spend the whole game flying around shooting down stuff while you hope you'll roll 6s to hit with your AT weapons (vs. AV 12/13).

Basically it's the rhino of 5th edition; the item GW wish to push hard for sales this edition is fliers so they get stupid rules to make it so. There are more rules in there to make it easier to deal with but GW in their infinite wisdom did not add it to any units (expect them to be on all new units you need to buy with the new codex releases in finecast style).

[Waking-Dreams]

Originally Posted by The Skulls

Would have thought that GW would have released a 'black reach' type box set. Maybe it's a change of business direction?

There'll be a boxed set coming in September I believe.

I suppose by releasing a new rulebook now they'll ensure that existing gamers will want to own one right away instead of waiting longer and picking up the boxed set with some miniatures. In fairness, the new rulebook is lovely, as they only put a skimmed down version into the boxed sets (though it's handy for bringing with you to games/tournaments).

[Red_Wake]

Missile Launchers have the Skyfire rule for Flakk Missiles.

So Fliers aren't as awesome as they're made out to be.

[grugni]

I thought with the new allies rules that GW would be making more cash by allowing players to field units outside of their core army.

I hope the fliers wont ruin the game, Ive played too many games against cheese lists. I was hoping that this edition might bring some balance

[Nody]

Originally Posted by Red_Wake

Missile Launchers have the Skyfire rule for Flakk Missiles.

So Fliers aren't as awesome as they're made out to be.

Feel free to find any missile launcher unit(s) F.A.Q.ed to actually have Flakk missiles (I'll give you a hint, the number so far is below 1 which goes back to my other post about new Codex finecast units to deal with fliers).

[Mantel]

Contemptor Mortis Dreadnought's get the Skyfire rule when standing still...

Another expensive model just to get AA.

[geeky]

I know it's a pain in the backside for armies that don't have skyfire troops or flyers, but I do think the rule change is pretty accurate - air support or dominance being critical.

Also, any army can pick up a fortification with an icarus lascannon, which will shoot those birdies right out of the air.

[Mantel]

There's a new mission book from GW due out at the start of December which promises some "expanded rules for Flyers", some other units might get anti-air or there could be mission specific dangers for flyers or they could be banned outright from the underground scenario that's mentioned.

[Nody]

Originally Posted by Mantel

There's a new mission book from GW due out at the start of December which promises some "expanded rules for Flyers", some other units might get anti-air or there could be mission specific dangers for flyers or they could be banned outright from the underground scenario that's mentioned.

Expect more beneficial (yet random "roll on a table is fun") rules for bringing fliers as it's GW's current sales cow for flogging models that people did not have before. I'd not expect fliers to take any significant nerf until next expansion honestly (plastic metal boxes in last expansion, fliers in this one).