[Mellor]

Originally Posted by funkey_monkey

Mellor - I can't take a protein due to a condition called PKU.

I'm weight training so I'm trying to get approx 100g of fats into my diet - without taking in bad fats. I current only take linseed on my cereal, but the above text states that the conversion of the ALA in these into EPA & DHA is not an efficient process.

Sorry, didn't cop the usernane. I remember your previous thread now.

So avoiding the nuts is downtown PKU.
So you ok with coconut in certain forms.

So coconut oil, coconut milk/cream would be good sources for you.
Avocado is a good fat but has 1.8g protein per 100g, is that enough to be an issue?

[funkey_monkey]

I'm not sure about coconut - I thought it was high in protein - I've never ate it before.

1.8g per 100g is fine for me in regards to avocados. I just don't know what to do with the damn things cooking wise!

[Mellor]

Originally Posted by funkey_monkey

I'm not sure about coconut - I thought it was high in protein - I've never ate it before.

I used a tin of coconut milk tonight. It was less than 1g protein per 100ml. The oil would be quite low too I'd imagine. But it depends on how refined it is.

[Dotcomdolly]

Just looking at my jar of coconut oil (cocowel brand from dunnes)- per portion of 14g (one tablespoon) 0g of protein.

[Brian?]

Originally Posted by funkey_monkey

I'm not sure about coconut - I thought it was high in protein - I've never ate it before.

1.8g per 100g is fine for me in regards to avocados. I just don't know what to do with the damn things cooking wise!

I wouldn't do anything cooking wise with avocado. Eat it raw or prepare it as guacamole.

[arandale]

Mellor, thanks for posting what you had to eat today, it sounds good and i hope it works for you. I have been mooching around a site called LCHF ( low calorie high fat) you might be familiar with already. I think i will start tomorrow, no i actually will as i have 2 st to lose.

I have tinned sardines, cheese and cherry tomatoes and that will do in the morning and then i'll shop.

Let us know what you think of LCHF. Its all the rage in Scandanivia.

[funkey_monkey]

Coconut seems to be high in sat fats - are these not bad fats? I though I should only aim for unsaturated fats?

[Mellor]

Originally Posted by funkey_monkey

Coconut seems to be high in sat fats - are these not bad fats? I though I should only aim for unsaturated fats?

No, the all sat fat is bad is a very dated idea, and its incorrect.

Basically, in the 50s they compared fat intake with heart disease. And found that USA had high fat consumption and high heart disease. Japan was low fat and low heart disease. The assumption was that fat is bad (which is now know is incorrect). But the study only used a few countries, when you use more countries the co-relation disappears.
USA's health problems are down to terrible diet and lifestyle in general, not specifically fat intake.

A later study show that sat fat sometimes increased cholesterol. So sat fat became the evil fat. But, we now know that there are two types of cholesterol. Increasing the total cholesterol can be beneficial if its the good kind, as this improves the ratio of good to bad. Some sat fats do this and are good for health.
Ironically, the anti-sat fat mentality led to the development of trans-fats. Which we now know are terrible for your health.

The sat fat in coconut is a good kind of sat fat. One of the best type of fat in general. As it has the biggest positive effect on cholesterol. It's called lauric acid. Human Breast milk has 2 or 3 times the lauric acid compared to cows milk. It's probably a safe assumption that breast milk is v.healthy.

[whirlpool]

Originally Posted by Mellor

No, the all sat fat is bad is a very dated idea, and its incorrect.

Basically, in the 50s they compared fat intake with heart disease. And found that USA had high fat consumption and high heart disease. Japan was low fat and low heart disease. The assumption was that fat is bad (which is now know is incorrect). But the study only used a few countries, when you use more countries the co-relation disappears.
USA's health problems are down to terrible diet and lifestyle in general, not specifically fat intake.

A later study show that sat fat sometimes increased cholesterol. So sat fat became the evil fat. But, we now know that there are two types of cholesterol. Increasing the total cholesterol can be beneficial if its the good kind, as this improves the ratio of good to bad. Some sat fats do this and are good for health.
Ironically, the anti-sat fat mentality led to the development of trans-fats. Which we now know are terrible for your health.

The sat fat in coconut is a good kind of sat fat. One of the best type of fat in general. As it has the biggest positive effect on cholesterol. It's called lauric acid. Human Breast milk has 2 or 3 times the lauric acid compared to cows milk. It's probably a safe assumption that breast milk is v.healthy.

Are all naturally-occurring saturated fats healthy (as opposed to being particularly unhealthy?)

i.e. are any naturally-occurring saturated fats bad for you?

[Mellor]

Originally Posted by whirlpool

Are all naturally-occurring saturated fats healthy (as opposed to being particularly unhealthy?)

i.e. are any naturally-occurring saturated fats bad for you?

I wouldn't go as far to claim that all natural sat fats are definitely good. But do think heavily processed oils are bad. Saturated or otherwise. Trans fats are always unsaturated, and they lower good cholesterol and raise bad. Some trans fat occur naturally, and these have been shown to not to have the same negative health qualities as the artificial ones.

[whirlpool]

Originally Posted by Mellor

I wouldn't go as far to claim that all natural sat fats are definitely good. But do think heavily processed oils are bad. Saturated or otherwise. Trans fats are always unsaturated, and they lower good cholesterol and raise bad. Some trans fat occur naturally, and these have been shown to not to have the same negative health qualities as the artificial ones.

Thanks for that. Could you direct me to a website/webpage that explains the differences between all the different kinds of fats please? I don't trust Wikipedia, and I could just Google it but I'd rather get a direct recommendation from someone who knows their stuff.

[Mellor]

Wikipedia is pretty good for those kinda of things tbh.

This is also a pretty good list of food/fats from unprocessed sources.
http://whole9life.com/book/ISWF-Shopping-List.pdf

[Dotcomdolly]

Originally Posted by Mellor

Wikipedia is pretty good for those kinda of things tbh.

This is also a pretty good list of food/fats from unprocessed sources.
http://whole9life.com/book/ISWF-Shopping-List.pdf

see post #2
Great minds Mellor! I'm hoping my copy will arrive today.

[funkey_monkey]

Thanks guys, I've been trying to put this information into practice.

I need to sit down and see where I can get the balance corrected as I'm currently averaging 17% Fat (54g), 61% Carbs (410g), 22% Protein (150g).

So I'll need to shift approx 50g of carbs out for fats. Hopefully, doing something with Avocados and Coconuts will resolve it. Although I want to find a few more sources of fats as meals could be quite limiting with only those ingredients! I've already upped my intake of olives, but it only has a small effect on the overall score.


Thanks.

[Dotcomdolly]

You can use coconut oil for cooking, coconut flakes for snacks, and coconut manna as a spread (down to earth on George's st have it)

What about home made mayo, would you be allowed that? It's really good and you can make a great sauce for dips by blending it with avo.

Originally Posted by funkey_monkey

Thanks guys, I've been trying to put this information into practice.

I need to sit down and see where I can get the balance corrected as I'm currently averaging 17% Fat (54g), 61% Carbs (410g), 22% Protein (150g).

So I'll need to shift approx 50g of carbs out for fats. Hopefully, doing something with Avocados and Coconuts will resolve it. Although I want to find a few more sources of fats as meals could be quite limiting with only those ingredients! I've already upped my intake of olives, but it only has a small effect on the overall score.


Thanks.