[somairle]

May seem like a funny request but Im interested in hearing native Irish speakers, with less than fluent English, speaking. Im just curious to hear how that sounds, it is interesting to me to hear that like a French person speaking English.

I know there are not many left without fluent English, but surely some older recordings?

Thanks for indulging me!

[who the fug]

Know a guy in London , stutters in English perfect in Irish

[DeBrugha]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UP4nXlKJx_4

[somairle]

as beautiful as that is I wanna hear him attempt English i'm interested in how Irish people would sound without great English, in the same was French or Spannish people speak English who have learnt it later on, itd just be interesting to hear is all

[An gal gréine]

If you are willing to travel you'll find plenty of the older folk in the Gaeltachtaí who are clearly ill-at -ease speaking English. The first noticeable aspect is how slowly they put their sentences together. Personally, I prefer when the person who had them speaking English is gone from the scene, but I understand the curiosity when you have'nt heard it.

[1ZRed]

Originally Posted by An gal gréine

If you are willing to travel you'll find plenty of the older folk in the Gaeltachtaí who are clearly ill-at -ease speaking English. The first noticeable aspect is how slowly they put their sentences together. Personally, I prefer when the person who had them speaking English is gone from the scene, but I understand the curiosity when you have'nt heard it.

I'm from the Gaeltacht and a lot of the times I hear old men speaking terrible English to the point where it's embarrassing.
I don't know why, but whenever they speak it, they're always shouting and you can hear their boggerish conversation a mile away.

By far the worst of heard is;
"I was drinking wadika while riding my wicycle but I ended up womiting"
If you didn't hear that, I suggest you turn up your wolume!

[An gal gréine]

That brings to mind hearing children recently in different Gaeltacht counties say "I vos" for "I was"

[P. Breathnach]

Originally Posted by An gal gréine

That brings to mind hearing children recently in different Gaeltacht counties say "I vos" for "I was"

Such things are not particularly connected with having poor English. Native Irish speakers have a particular set of phonics (which vary according to their dialect) and they use their Irish phonic set in speaking English. It's a thread in life's rich tapestry.

Many English speakers quite like hearing English spoken by Francophones; they consider it charming.

[1ZRed]

Originally Posted by P. Breathnach

Such things are not particularly connected with having poor English. Native Irish speakers have a particular set of phonics (which vary according to their dialect) and they use their Irish phonic set in speaking English. It's a thread in life's rich tapestry.

Many English speakers quite like hearing English spoken by Francophones; they consider it charming.

I'm a native Irish speaker and I do not use an Irish phonic set when speaking in English. All my friends that I went to school with in the Gaeltacht never spoke that way either. It's really only some people from way back the islands that speak like that. Definitely no young person today that's not living back in the sticks has such a dialect.
That's just a deluded misconception that we speak poor 'funny sounding' English!

[P. Breathnach]

Originally Posted by 1ZRed

I'm a native Irish speaker and I do not use an Irish phonic set when speaking in English. All my friends that I went to school with in the Gaeltacht never spoke that way either. It's really only some people from way back the islands that speak like that. Definitely no young person today that's not living back in the sticks has such a dialect.
That's just a deluded misconception that we speak poor 'funny sounding' English!

I should have written "Some native Irish speakers".

But I won't give you a free pass unless I hear you speak English, because underlying the point I was making is that many Irish speakers use Irish phonics because their ear does not discriminate between some English-language phonic values and Irish-language phonic values. Éist leat féin: say "house"; say "houses"; does the "s" in "house" sound the same in both?

[Your use of English also reflects Irish: "way back the islands".]

[An gal gréine]

Originally Posted by P. Breathnach

Such things are not particularly connected with having poor English. Native Irish speakers have a particular set of phonics (which vary according to their dialect) and they use their Irish phonic set in speaking English. It's a thread in life's rich tapestry.

Many English speakers quite like hearing English spoken by Francophones; they consider it charming.

Yes, the children I heard had good English and just as some, like myself, found it charming, I know that others found it highly amusing.

[1ZRed]

Originally Posted by P. Breathnach

I should have written "Some native Irish speakers".

But I won't give you a free pass unless I hear you speak English, because underlying the point I was making is that many Irish speakers use Irish phonics because their ear does not discriminate between some English-language phonic values and Irish-language phonic values. Éist leat féin: say "house"; say "houses"; does the "s" in "house" sound the same in both?

[Your use of English also reflects Irish: "way back the islands".]

How condescending. I do not have an accent stereotypically representative of my area. If anything, it's more of a neutral one. Listen to Síle and Gráinne Seoige speak English, it's the normal neutral accent of the country. Both are from the Gaeltacht and can speak perfect Irish yet their English is unaffected by it, like my own.
All of my friends from where I'm from speak this way. It's only when you go back further than Carraroe that the heavy dialect usually sets in-but not always.

I have to laugh because your surname is written in Irish yet you will never be able to pronounce the language as well as a native Irish speaker but I would be able to speak english as well as you.

And no, I say "house" and "houzes". How low is your opinion of people from the Gaeltacht anyway? I'd love to know where you're from.

[P. Breathnach]

Originally Posted by 1ZRed

... How low is your opinion of people from the Gaeltacht anyway? ...

Not at all low. I don't despise my kinfolk.

I really don't see why you are getting so annoyed.

[An gal gréine]

Your interpretation of what P.Breathnach wrote seems way off to me, unless it was he who wrote...

Originally Posted by 1ZRed

I'm from the Gaeltacht and a lot of the times I hear old men speaking terrible English to the point where it's embarrassing.
I don't know why, but whenever they speak it, they're always shouting and you can hear their boggerish conversation a mile away.

[Davidius]

Is it supposed to be pronounced 'houzes'? I don't speak Irish and I say the s the same in both.