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06-06-2012, 21:01   #181
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btw if you asked my wife if we should have a minimum passing distance she'd say it was a bad idea on the basis that most male drivers think this represents 6 inches:

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...better enforcement of existing laws as opposed to introducing stricter laws...
Nail on head in my opinion Beasty.
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Maybe a few of these at the pinch points:



Seen in Clapham, London (http://realcycling.blogspot.ie/2012/...y-sign-in.html)
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Maybe a few of these at the pinch points:



Seen in Clapham, London (http://realcycling.blogspot.ie/2012/...y-sign-in.html)
Lanes can't overtake anyone, they're attached to the road.
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07-06-2012, 15:26   #185
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Lanes can't overtake anyone, they're attached to the road.
Smart arse, I was just about to post something similar

I think they wouldn't be too bad of an idea, they're not really solving the root of the problem are they?
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09-06-2012, 13:55   #186
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I don't have much of an issue with it.

For the silver taxi, the cyclists were perfectly happy to undertake with that level of room, so it's fairly reasonable that the taxi should feel they can overtake with the same level of room
This is completely flawed logic. Buffalo points out one reason why:

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Note the relative speeds though. When the cyclists undertake, the taxi is barely moving. When he overtakes, he has picked up a fair bit of speed. This makes his manoeuvre more dangerous. Also, taxi drivers are professional drivers too.
But it's not just the matter of relative speed - it is the relative risk. When a car overtakes a cyclist, if something goes wrong, the risk of serious injury to the cyclist is significant. When a cyclist undertakes a car, the risk of serious injury to the car driver is zero, and the risk of serious damage to the car is tiny.

It's not a tit-for-tat situation. When cars are overtaking cyclists, they need to give room.

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This is completely flawed logic. Buffalo points out one reason why:
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... Note the relative speeds though. When the cyclists undertake, the taxi is barely moving. When he overtakes, he has picked up a fair bit of speed. This makes his manoeuvre more dangerous ...
But it's not just the matter of relative speed - it is the relative risk. When a car overtakes a cyclist, if something goes wrong, the risk of serious injury to the cyclist is significant. When a cyclist undertakes a car, the risk of serious injury to the car driver is zero, and the risk of serious damage to the car is tiny.

It's not a tit-for-tat situation. When cars are overtaking cyclists, they need to give room.
+1

Another point is that the cyclist knows exactly how far they are from a car at all times. In contrast, a driver's perspective is a good few feet to the right and occluded by bits of car even before they reach the cyclist. Having said this, I think we need to be very wary passing cars at close quarters in cases where they may be about to move off, acccelerate or change their position in the road in any way (not just turn at a junction).
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I guess it's a matter of perspective then. I'd have been happy for the silver taxi to overtake me in that situation. YMMV.
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I guess it's a matter of perspective then. I'd have been happy for the silver taxi to overtake me in that situation. YMMV.
I was more adding to the general list of arguments; that taxi overtake might have been OK (hard to tell for sure from a video)
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Should really stop calling this a Close Pass. It is a dangerous overtake and outlined here on the Dublin Cycling Campaign website. How come none of you guys came up with that? :-)

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Should really stop calling this a Close Pass. It is a dangerous overtake and outlined here on the Dublin Cycling Campaign website. How come none of you guys came up with that? :-)

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