[Mr. Grinder]

Originally Posted by Brunteaphile

Is this melodic?

Class!

@Bombidol. There's deintely spillage form thr vaious genres, but back in the mid 80s when hardcore was at it's peak there was nothing that could be considered melodic per se. I mean, it started as a counter against that hair metal which had become so sanitized and happy.

Ignite, as an example you used. I still don't consider them HC, they would be some kind of off shoot, or post hardcore. In fact, I see a lot of the nineties stuff (not all to be fair) is just 'post hardcore'.

[bombidol]

Well it really depends on your definition of hardcore. Bands like Dag Nasty etc could be termed as melodic hardcore and they were 80s. Its all evolution really, I consider Ignite a hardcore band as their roots are in that genre, they just had a singer who could actually sing and went down that route. H20 evolved from Sick of it all as Toby was a roadie and tech for them for years and was encouraged by them lads to get involved. Listening to Agnostic Front from the start with stuff like victim in pain, then up to Riot Riot upstart etc theres a MASSIVE difference in vocals.

[Mr. Grinder]

I hear what your saying man...I've no problem with certain nuances that every band has, or individuals bring when they migrate. It's always going to happen and that's not a bad thing.

But for me personally, I'm really into old skool HC, and when it changes for the bad, then it just becomes 'post HC'. Even tho' you could say it's an evolution. However, I don't think that 'evolution' is necessarily a good thing. Especially in underground music. Because when it gets a bit more of a following, or becomes 'cool', it's nabbed by musicians that often tame it down, and loose what it was about in the first place...

Just look at Punk for example. My god some of the bands that call themselves Punk these days would be better at a school disco.

Now, I have no problem with bands who want to be melodic or screamo (ugh!) or whatever. While I dislike the sound, it's none of my business what some own else wants to play and enjoy.

But I do have a problem with them claiming to be Punk or Hardcore band especially when it's just a watered down version, and after standing on the back of giants.

I mean, a lot of these bands call themselves 'Punk', but really, it would be much more honest to call themselves 'pop punk' a la Blink 182, etc. At least then they are being honest. Not that they would ever do that of course, 'case it wouldn't' be as 'cool'.

That's my thinking on it anyway...

[Mr. Grinder]

100%!!!!


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ohYF4CNsqw0

[Parkwaydrive]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jAFUjYAkpzU
Would anyone here consider that to have even evolved from hardcore??

[dregin]

Probably? I don't know much about hardcore, but they sound a lot like some of the bands that frequent moshspace... so, yes?

Speaking of which, saw this last night. Pretty DAYCENT!

[Mr Whirly]

Grade were deadly.



http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9nwz...eature=related

[bombidol]

Bang Bros are deadly. SAVAGE video too. Madball are Madball, and if Madball were to form now they would sound like Counterpart as thats what modern hardcore sounds like. Terror etc. MUCH more metallic but hey, thats evolution for you.

[bombidol]

Also, its been said before but Gotta go by Agnostic front is a reworking of a Warzone song.

[Mr. Grinder]

Originally Posted by bombidol

Bang Bros are deadly. SAVAGE video too. Madball are Madball, and if Madball were to form now they would sound like Counterpart as thats what modern hardcore sounds like. Terror etc. MUCH more metallic but hey, thats evolution for you.

I guess that's the thing tho', innit... 'Modern Hardcore' isn't really old school HC, so it's all technically 'post HC', and therefore, it's really formed into its own genre.

For me tho', it will never be as good, but it's all subjective anyway...

I dunno' if I agree with you on the Madball thing. Because there's still quite few bands emulating the old skool sound. Plus, given Madball's early roots and all... If I was ever to form a band again, it would definitely go the old school rout - Maybe along the lines of early Suicidal (nothing like their 'Join the army stuff' stuff tho'!!!).

Cheers.

[beano345]

im a massive fan and collector of early 80s hardcore bands like the fix,circle one, jerrys kids ,the f.u's,government issue,the offenders it is an accuired taste i just love the aggression and rawness of it,not too pushed on modern hardcore,well maybe judge

[Mr. Grinder]

Nice one Beano!

I should point out too that there's some really good Irish bands still doing old style Hardcore too. 'Complan' would be the definitive Irish HC band for me, these guys are great! And Corrosive Machine are up and coming, and one people should keep their eyes on.

[dregin]

I always liked Famine, but they broke up. Only Fumes and Corpses are awesballs too.

[Mr. Grinder]

I did love Coitus and early Coldwar as well...

[beano345]

i always kinda associated melodic hardcore with rites of spring,husker du and the minutemen, there was an old irish hardcore band called black belt jones dont know if there still about