[the_syco]

Originally Posted by Varied

They don't say tax the rich, they say they want a fairer tax system.

If they tax the poor less, where will they get the money to pay the Social Welfare? Not Germany, as they'll be burning anyone that has lent them money it would seem?

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Also, I see FF getting voted back in before SF.

[Corvus Maximus]

Originally Posted by smash

Sinn Fein appealing to the lowest common denominator

And what have FF/FG being doing? Yes that's right, submitting. Our version of change involves the replacement of FF with FG. Yet there is absolutely no difference between either. I don't particularly give a shít about Sinn Fein to be honest. But a pack of dogs would do a better job running the country, than the meek shower of balless fúckwits currently in post.

[LordSutch]

Originally Posted by fishy fishy

listen lads the fact is the SF is on the rise. They are the second biggest party in Ireland now. People have finally copped on and can see what is being done to the country to ensure that the FF/FG have their pockets lined.

I know some of you can't handle it - but tough. Get used to is. Ye' don't seem to bothered about the other party's throwing away everything and making us pay up. maybe ye were part of the gravy train, maybe not.

Its time now for the Shinners to shine - hey, maybe it won't be too bad. Maybe Nelson Mandela will come over to visit Gerry and ye can all climb over each other to shake his hand.

Dear Lord, can you imagine Gerry Adams or Mary Lou as Taoiseach/Tánaiste

Now there's two scary thoughts 4 starters, it just aint goin to happen, and it wont happen - The prospect is just too scary.

[smash]

Originally Posted by Corvus Maximus

And what have FF/FG being doing? Yes that's right, submitting. Our version of change involves the replacement of FF with FG. Yet there is absolutely no difference between either. I don't particularly give a shít about Sinn Fein to be honest. But a pack of dogs would do a better job running the country, than the meek shower of balless fúckwits currently in post.

What has anything you just said, got to do with the people that SF target with their campaigning?

[Morlar]

Originally Posted by LordSutch

Dear Lord, can you imagine Gerry Adams or Mary Lou as Taoiseach/Tánaiste

Now there's two scary thoughts 4 starters, it just aint goin to happen, and it wont happen - The prospect is just too scary.

I can see how it could be the mother of all nightmares for the less progressive loyalists alright.

[Sleepy]

Originally Posted by fishy fishy

listen lads the fact is the SF is on the rise. They are the second biggest party in Ireland now. People have finally copped on and can see what is being done to the country to ensure that the FF/FG have their pockets lined.

I know some of you can't handle it - but tough. Get used to is. Ye' don't seem to bothered about the other party's throwing away everything and making us pay up. maybe ye were part of the gravy train, maybe not.

The 31st Dail has 14 Sinn Fein TD's. This makes them the 4th largest party with less than 20% the numbers of the largest (Fine Gael), under half the numbers of the second largest (Labour) and at roughly 75% of the third largest (Fianna Fail who happened to be the party most responsible for the economic climate Ireland is currently in).

You can quote whatever polls you like and it won't change the *FACT* that Sinn Fein are a minority party in Dail Eireann. While they may continue to gain traction amongst the uneducated welfare class, that class represents less than 10/15% of our population and I can't see the middle classes ever voting for someone who's policies would result in even those of us earning modest salaries being taxed into oblivion.

Its time now for the Shinners to shine - hey, maybe it won't be too bad. Maybe Nelson Mandela will come over to visit Gerry and ye can all climb over each other to shake his hand.

Think I might take a weekend trip to Killarney.

Enjoy your buzz words in the meantime and remember if it gets too much ye can "talk to joe".

How exactly are the Shinners going to shine?

[Morlar]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

The 31st Dail has 14 Sinn Fein TD's. This makes them the 4th largest party with less than 20% the numbers of the largest (Fine Gael), under half the numbers of the second largest (Labour) and at roughly 75% of the third largest (Fianna Fail who happened to be the party most responsible for the economic climate Ireland is currently in).

You can quote whatever polls you like and it won't change the *FACT* that Sinn Fein are a minority party in Dail Eireann. While they may continue to gain traction amongst the uneducated welfare class, that class represents less than 10/15% of our population and I can't see the middle classes ever voting for someone who's policies would result in even those of us earning modest salaries being taxed into oblivion.



How exactly are the Shinners going to shine?

All recent polls I have seen have SF the 2nd biggest party in the state.

You (along with the rest of the anti-SF crowd) can try to avoid acknowledging that but polls are the standard, universally accepted way to gauge the political landscape (in between general elections), & all the most recent ones I have seen show SF as the 2nd biggest party in the state.

[forfuxsake]

Originally Posted by Sleepy

The 31st Dail has 14 Sinn Fein TD's. This makes them the 4th largest party with less than 20% the numbers of the largest (Fine Gael), under half the numbers of the second largest (Labour) and at roughly 75% of the third largest (Fianna Fail who happened to be the party most responsible for the economic climate Ireland is currently in).

You can quote whatever polls you like and it won't change the *FACT* that Sinn Fein are a minority party in Dail Eireann. While they may continue to gain traction amongst the uneducated welfare class, that class represents less than 10/15% of our population and I can't see the middle classes ever voting for someone who's policies would result in even those of us earning modest salaries being taxed into oblivion.



How exactly are the Shinners going to shine?

Who are you to call anyone else uneducated?

And as for your comments, that's what the SDLP thought in the North. Until Sinn Fein took their middle class vote from them.

[LordSutch]

Originally Posted by Morlar

I can see how it could be the mother of all nightmares for the less progressive loyalists alright.

Forget Loyalists and Northern Ireland for a moment, I am talking about the man in the street down here! Fine Gael supporters, Fianna Fail supporters, Labour supprters, these would be the people to suffer the nightmare if Adams or Mary Lou became Taoiseach or Tánaiste.

[Ruralyoke]

Originally Posted by Morlar

All recent polls I have seen have SF the 2nd biggest party in the state.

I can guarantee you they have peaked.

This is as popular as they will ever be and they can only wane. It was a popularity based on disillusion with other parties, easily influenced and naive floating voters and motivated staunch republicans.

The republicans will always be there to some extent and the other two will cop themselves on, given time.

The SF election machine is very well organised and hard working - I'll give them that but the job is done. Maxed out.

[Morlar]

Originally Posted by LordSutch

Forget Loyalists and Northern Ireland for a moment, I am talking about the man in the street down here! Fine Gael supporters, Fianna Fail supporters, Labour supprters, these would be the people to suffer the nightmare if Adams or Mary Lou became Taoiseach or Tánaiste.

I am not sure Gerry Adams would be taoiseach in a coalition govt but if he were I doubt he could do worse than Brian Cowen or Enda Kenny (who have both been 'nightmare' enough for me).

[Morlar]

Originally Posted by Ruralyoke

I can guarantee you they have peaked.

No offence, but remind me again why I should take the word of an internet randomer on that ?

[Ruralyoke]

Originally Posted by Morlar

No offence, but remind me again why I should take the word of an internet randomer on that ?

So do you disagree then?

[smash]

Originally Posted by Morlar

All recent polls I have seen have SF the 2nd biggest party in the state.

you're confusing speculative popularity with the size of their party. They don't have enough TD's to run a government on their own and most other parties would not go into coalition with them.

[Morlar]

Originally Posted by Ruralyoke

So do you disagree then?

You've yet to establish why anyone should agree with your assessment. This reminds me of a Gary Larson cartoon where the old man on the porch says 'my elbow feels a funny - bad storms a comin'. In other words you are putting forward your gut feelings with nothing to support it.