[Victor]

Originally Posted by Aidan1

I take it then that there is no such system in place, and that Galway competes on a level playing field in terms of taxation at least?

Taxation, it seems so. However, the structural funds thing and I think IDA / FÁS grants are allowed be more generous in the BMW region.

[liammur]

Originally Posted by Aidan1

Oh right, I thought you were suggesting that the NDP document contained a regionalised corporation tax system.

I take it then that there is no such system in place, and that Galway competes on a level playing field in terms of taxation at least?


Why Tralee and not (say) Killarney, or Cork, or Dublin? Why voluntarily surrender tax take just to lob some jobs into a town, where it costs the taxpayer so much more to maintain services and infrastructure, when they could be put into a city where (a) there is still a tax take, and (b) the population growth could be managed much more efficiently for the tax payer?

In terms of taxation yes.
I agree with your point, but why the IFSC for the urban renewal scheme?

I believe it's not the area that's important, it's the scheme behind it. You can make any region attractive to employers. Just like Ireland is attractive for US multinationals in a European context.

[Tipp Man]

Originally Posted by Victor

Both need not have been built. Instead of building the M8 as they built it, they could instead have had Cork-Dublin traffic go via Limerick or Kilkenny and instead build those routes as motorway, for no additional cost.

What??

The motorways still needed to be built - and we still needed 1 from Limerick to Dublin and 1 from Cork to Dublin

Without going via the North Pole you need to go through Tipp to get from Limerick to Dublin - or should that motoroway have gone via Galway?

Re Cork to Dublin it would be what 50 kms or more LONGER to go via KK and Waterford or via Limerick and definately not as good a route. so you want all traffic from Cork to Dublin (by far the busiest route) to go more than 50km out of their way just so that Tipp doesn't have 2 motorways through it - brilliant

[Victor]

Originally Posted by Tipp Man

Re Cork to Dublin it would be what 50 kms or more LONGER to go via KK and Waterford

Where did I mention going via Kilkenny and Waterford? As it is, Dublin-Kilkenny-Clonmel-Cork is slightly longer than Dublin-Portlaoise-Cork. building a motorway Kilkenny-Cahir would have chopped off a few km.

However, it would have meant motorway between Dublin and Clonmel and Cork and Clonmel (and on to Waterford) for substantially less money.

[JustinDee]

Originally Posted by goose2005

Most people suggested maybe 8 or 9 regions.

But virtually every advanced country has directly elected mayors and other officials, and local authorities with genuine power. The only reason Ireland doesn't is because we inherited a British system and couldn't be arsed changing anything.

No-one did. Look at Oslo, with a population similar to Dublin - 6 metro lines, 6 tram lines and 8 commuter rail lines. Dublin has 2 tram lines and 1 commuter line (DART).

Taxes and economic activity in Dublin do subsidise the rest of the country. This is a fact.

The level of taxation in Ireland is not even close to that of Norway. Why do people keep bringing up the flipping place as an example every time? In Ireland if petrol goes up by a whopping 4c, there are hundreds of queues at main service stations. A household charge of just €100 is being used as a sh*tty stick to argue about austerity measures deemed necessary. Water charges? Ffs.
Paddy wants all he can get for as little as possible. That is why he borrowed to the hilt during the boomtime despite warnings at the beginning of the Millenium.

You want Norwegian-style infrastructure? Then prepare to fork out for it in absolutely everything you pay for, watch your imports over a small limit become subject to import duties on top of the taxation already in place. Watch the protected cartel of supermarkets, for example, limit range available and float prices. Have you any idea how much petrol is in Norway, an oil-producing country?

Norway is as it is because Norwegians pay for it. Why do they pay for it? Because they can.

Sånn er livet.

[long range shooter]

Originally Posted by JustinDee

The level of taxation in Ireland is not even close to that of Norway. Why do people keep bringing up the flipping place as an example every time? In Ireland if petrol goes up by a whopping 4c, there are hundreds of queues at main service stations. A household charge of just €100 is being used as a sh*tty stick to argue about austerity measures deemed necessary. Water charges? Ffs.
Paddy wants all he can get for as little as possible. That is why he borrowed to the hilt during the boomtime despite warnings at the beginning of the Millenium.

You want Norwegian-style infrastructure? Then prepare to fork out for it in absolutely everything you pay for, watch your imports over a small limit become subject to import duties on top of the taxation already in place. Watch the protected cartel of supermarkets, for example, limit range available and float prices. Have you any idea how much petrol is in Norway, an oil-producing country?

Norway is as it is because Norwegians pay for it. Why do they pay for it? Because they can.

Sånn er livet.

ingen i Irland forstår det Justin jeg har gitt opp

[chris2008x]

You also have to remember Victor the cost of acquiring land in these cities if you go the Dublin-Galway-Limerick way it would make it even more unviable. The cost of building these motorways, we will not see a return for decades. I am sure the planners in the NRA looked at all options and found this to be the most cost effective.

[fasttalkerchat]

Should urban dwellers be levied to cover the cost of street lights, public refuse collection, street cleaners, public toilets etc? I think that when you factor in all the advantages of living in a town you can allow them their unapproved roads!

[murphaph]

Originally Posted by fasttalkerchat

Should urban dwellers be levied to cover the cost of street lights, public refuse collection, street cleaners, public toilets etc? I think that when you factor in all the advantages of living in a town you can allow them their unapproved roads!

Yes. Urban dwellers can pay for their 10m average frontage including footpaths and lighting and non-essential (so not farmers or anyone who actually must live on the land) rural dwellers can pay for their 1km+ average frontage.

There's no getting away from the fact that urban living make it easier and more cost effective to provide services and infrastructure. This is nothing new, the Romans and their predecessors knew it too!

[goose2005]

Originally Posted by fasttalkerchat

Should urban dwellers be levied to cover the cost of street lights, public refuse collection, street cleaners, public toilets etc? I think that when you factor in all the advantages of living in a town you can allow them their unapproved roads!

But they get better services because they live at high densities, so the cost per person is not very much. Since the first cities were built this has always been true.

[ninja900]

In Dublin at least, all refuse collection is privatised and paid for by the householder, and almost all public toilets were shut down years ago!