Wow, this is goign in circles.
I wrote a pretty clear reply but its gone. I'll try to get the gist of it down.
Originally Posted by Ush1
But how would that apply to close decisions? By there very nature you can't say everybody knows someone won that fight.
Nobody is saying every close decision deserves a rematch. You are repeated avoid the issue and takign in generalites that don't apply.
I know there is problems with judging but that is for commisions to fix, not for UFC to have a rematch when they don't like the outcome of a fight.
The rematch isn't because they don't like the outcome, its because its deserved. Different issue. So you can drop that too.
I think it's a hollow reason for 3 reasons:
1.It's debatable who is no.1 or no.2 in the world etc...
2.You just lost to the no.1 anyway.
3.How are you sure that even though he is no.2 that someone wouldn't do a better job?
Ok so this is the issue.
And you are right, that the No2 spot is subjective. I think we should agree that No.1 is the champ.
But the fact that its subjective doesn't make a difference to the point. The winner of the title fight (weather its a new champ or the current one) is the new No.1
The loser falls down the rankings. Sometimes, in a very tight devision, he'll drop to 4th or so. Sometimes, the two fighters will be so close in ability, and still that much better than the rest of the division that the loser will be the number 2. I'm not talking about subjective rankings, I'm talking about the actual second best in the world.
You have to admitt that sometimes he'll still be 2nd best in the division, even though we'll never all agree when that happens, and we can't test for it or prove it. The fact that we know it must happen sometimes, is he reason NEVER having rematches outside a draw is bad.
It's up to the UFC to decide when that happens, and that itself is less than perfect I agree. They will get it wrong sometimes, but they wil get it wrong sometimes, just like that could get any title shot wrong, give it to X when Y is better etc.
I'd hate it if it was common, and every close fight gets one, or every defeated champ gets a rematch. But never
having it outside a draw is wrong because sometimes, no matter how rare, the rematch is the best title match up.
A fight can come down to one persons opinion of a single round. To me, thats insanely subjective when you are talking about whats at stake. The rematch is as much about the new champ proving himself than it is about the old champ getting the belt back.