[qrrgprgua]

Originally Posted by Corkfeen

So, just to get this straight (no pun intended), you tell your children that to engage in homosexual acts is a sinful thing that will send you off to the depths of hell? So, your children think that their uncle is committing an evil act based on your indoctrination of them. If I was your brother, I'd choose to never speak to you again, making your children homophobic from a young age is bloody despicable. You might benefit from the definition of homophobia.

Thankfully your are not my brother.. ! And he does talk to me (and so does his partner) your post is what is wrong with this world.


Faith is a set of teachings.. If you start down the path of faith then you accept its teachings or you don't. I do and my brother doesn't.


My brother has found his path in life that he thinks is right and he is happy, Its his choice and as my faith tells me..I am not one to judge.. He does no care what the Catholic Church thinks. I on the other hand have faith and follow what my faith tells me.. And nowhere does it say that I need to hate my brother.

on the question of Marriage,, Both me and my brother think its between a man and a woman. But to him its just a piece of paper, which he already has as he has a civil partnership from Uk. He does not care about the whole debate. He is open about his life and so is his partner they have good jobs and we all get along.

So you can have faith and have respect at the same time.

[1ZRed]

Originally Posted by qrrgprgua

Thankfully your are not my brother.. ! And he does talk to me (and so does his partner) your post is what is wrong with this world.


Faith is a set of teachings.. If you start down the path of faith then you accept its teachings or you don't. I do and my brother doesn't.


My brother has found his path in life that he thinks is right and he is happy, Its his choice and as my faith tells me..I am not one to judge.. He does no care what the Catholic Church thinks. I on the other hand have faith and follow what my faith tells me.. And nowhere does it say that I need to hate my brother.

on the question of Marriage,, Both me and my brother think its between a man and a woman. But to him its just a piece of paper, which he already has as he has a civil partnership from Uk. He does not care about the whole debate. He is open about his life and so is his partner they have good jobs and we all get along.

So you can have faith and have respect at the same time.

But you just went off on a tangent saying gay sex was a sin
You're so back and forth trying to make a point and you then back track on it.
It's honestly hard to keep up with your train of thought.

[Corkfeen]

My post is what is wrong with the world. Silly old tolerance ruining the world as per usual while the religious defend their right to prevent others from marrying.

[Dades]

qrrgprgua, have you never questioned your churches teaching?

In all honestly, what would the creator of life, matter, time, everything be doing laying down laws 2000 years ago about what people do with the bits they got. Doesn't it strike you as an oddly human trait to be concerned with such things when you have the power to build entire universes?

You don't have to throw out the baby Jesus with the bath water, but you have a mind of your own, right?

[1ZRed]

Originally Posted by Dades

qrrgprgua, have you never questioned your churches teaching?

In all honestly, what would the creator of life, matter, time, everything be doing laying down laws 2000 years ago about what people do with the bits they got. Doesn't it strike you as an oddly human trait to be concerned with such things when you have the power to build entire universes?

You don't have to throw out the baby Jesus with the bath water, but you have a mind of your own, right?

Exactly. If God created everyone and everything thing in the whole universe and accounts for all the good and bad things in the world then why would he care where I stick my dick? Surely he needs to get his priorities sorted!

[robindch]

Originally Posted by qrrgprgua

I teach my Children that the acts are wrong

What exactly do you tell them? An actual quote, or series of quotes, would be best.

[Zillah]

So we can just assume that qrrgprgua was speaking out his hole when he said that religious institutions will be forced to perform gay marriage then? I'd love a link and all but I think we can be pretty sure there is none coming.

It's so typical of conservative thinking; he was probably told this reactionary fear-mongering crap and happily accepted it as reality because it gives another prop to his prejudice. No attempt was made to confirm this ludicrous claim, he's perfectly happy to blindly carry on as if it were true, and even when confronted with a request for proof, simply declares it is our responsibility to find it and will then continue on happily believing it.

Small minds, closed hearts, near horizons.

[MagicMarker]

Originally Posted by Zillah

So we can just assume that qrrgprgua was speaking out his hole when he said that religious institutions will be forced to perform gay marriage then? I'd love a link and all but I think we can be pretty sure there is none coming.

It's so typical of conservative thinking; he was probably told this reactionary fear-mongering crap and happily accepted it as reality because it gives another prop to his prejudice. No attempt was made to confirm this ludicrous claim, he's perfectly happy to blindly carry on as if it were true, and even when confronted with a request for proof, simply declares it is our responsibility to find it and will then continue on happily believing it.

Small minds, closed hearts, near horizons.

Yep, annoying but unsurprising, he's a Catholic after all, no independent thought required.

[Galvasean]

So yeah, um... I know this Christian... he's a friend, actually no, he's my brother... He thinks God is a load of made up hornswaggle.

Does this ad weight to my bigoted ramblings?

[ShooterSF]

Originally Posted by Zillah

So we can just assume that qrrgprgua was speaking out his hole when he said that religious institutions will be forced to perform gay marriage then? I'd love a link and all but I think we can be pretty sure there is none coming.

It's so typical of conservative thinking; he was probably told this reactionary fear-mongering crap and happily accepted it as reality because it gives another prop to his prejudice. No attempt was made to confirm this ludicrous claim, he's perfectly happy to blindly carry on as if it were true, and even when confronted with a request for proof, simply declares it is our responsibility to find it and will then continue on happily believing it.

Small minds, closed hearts, near horizons.

Indeed. Maybe we could hope for a post at least acknowledging that IF the law coming does not FORCE religions to allow gays to marry in their ceremonies that the issue is not a religious one. I'll start holding my breath now...

[Sonics2k]

Originally Posted by qrrgprgua

yes you are angry.. But I teach my Children that the acts are wrong, but also the hate a person is wrong.

Gay sex is a sin so Gay marriage does not enter the equation.

It happens to be broadly what Muslims Jews and many other religions believe.

So within the Framework of our faith we are entitled to defend our beliefs..

Homophobia is a range of negative attitudes towards Gay people. Gay people will have to get over it and accept to live with religious views on homosexuality. Catholic teaching is not targeting Gay people its the teaching that details what you need to follow if you want to be a Catholic.

I have some Gay friends at work and a Gay brother. And they all know my religious views.. They don't follow them, but the accept I have a Faith that preaches a path to follow.

Incidently my brother does not believe in Gay marriage.. But he does want all the legal respect a Married couple would get in terms of pension,property etc.etc. But he couldn't care a less what its called.

I know what Homophobia is. And having a Christian faith does not make me a Homophobe.

I teach my children not to base people on what they do in the privacy of their own homes, not to be bigots, racists, homophobes or sexist.

I also teach them, that should they find a faith they believe in, then go for it, and I won't judge them for it.

You are actually raising your children to believe that just being Gay is a sin and is therefore evil and wrong.

So frankly, you can shove your 'Christian morals' right up your own backside, along with that stick that appears to be lodged there too.

[joseph brand]

Originally Posted by Dades

qrrgprgua, have you never questioned your churches teaching?

In all honestly, what would the creator of life, matter, time, everything be doing laying down laws 2000 years ago about what people do with the bits they got. Doesn't it strike you as an oddly human trait to be concerned with such things when you have the power to build entire universes?

You don't have to throw out the baby Jesus with the bath water, but you have a mind of your own, right?

Evidently not. Thinking for oneself is NOT what religion is about. Catholics with such ridiculous views and low moral standards can only benefit Atheists. It's just too easy.

Personally, I don't see the point in replying to anything this troll poster scribbles. It would be just as beneficial for me, to go argue with the terriers next door who bark at the wind.

[efb]

[ShooterSF]

I knew I shouldn't have watched that. I told myself all through the first minute that it was going be waaaaay to sad. I was right :'(

[1ZRed]

I watched it and I knew what was coming early on but I still feel so bad for him. More than anything though, I'm very angry.
I'm not out yet, bar a few friends. I don't see my immediate family treating me this way but outside the four walls of our house I think people would be very harsh on me.
I don't care. If all this has taught is that I need to be as vicious to them as they are to me. It's the only way change will happen.
I remember reading about the gay rights movements and Martin Luther King's civil rights movement and comparing them to the present day.
The change that black people have witnessed is phenomenal and for the better but gay rights has only staggered along with just 'tolerance' as the only thing really achieved -and even then that word 'tolerance' has to be taken with a huge grain of salt.
Gay is the new black. The only thing is, the progression in this area is so slow because you cannot see sexuality as you would colour.
Out of sight, out of mind does not seem to suffice if more and more homosexual and bisexual teens choose to fall to the discrimination and pressure that come with a sexuality that was not chosen by, but more inflicted on them. It's a sad day when someone seeks to be happy in themselves but is harassed and dehumanised because of it. The world stays silent and the government promotes it by restricting our rights.
How can a progressive change for the better be made if the leaders of the country speak of such change but refuse to grant it?
Why do the members of the parliament cry when children 'needlessly' murder themselves if they subconsciously teach that gay =/= equal and then wonder why homophobia runs rampant across the nation?
Homophobia may kill on the lower levels of the social system but it is spawned at the highest tiers of government. The changes have to be made from the TOP down in order for a sexuality other than heterosexuality to be seen as 'normal'!

I'm sorry to go way off tangent ranting but I feel that anger is a better catalyst than sadness when it comes to wanting something to be done and changed. And I am very angry right now.