[Happyman42]

Originally Posted by K-9

Well not really the subject of the thread. There are many who would doubt their integrity and point to double standards. I think they did the right thing eventually.

Says he that dragged it off topic in the first place. But sure if the issue has to be avoided.....

Indeed. Another vested interest to be wrote off because the narrative doesn't suit. McGuinness has the highest integrity after all.

Absolutely not....I don't trust his testimony or anybody from British Intelligence. That's the price you pay for messing with the truth on previous occaisions.

It wasn't a cheap shot. Politicians lie or are economical with the truth. Bertie is obviously a high profile example. I don't believe McGuinness is immune to that.

Bertie did more than lie, he destroyed the country for the personal gain of him and his cronies.
McGuinness, whether you agree with his methods, has created much better human rights for his supporters and for all on this island (even if they are too blind to see it)

[snafuk35]

Anyway the priority is to defuse the sectarianism and hatred that is still prevalent since the end of the Troubles, get cross community support for law and order, defeat viglantes who are still involved in punishment beatings (no matter how deserving some of the victims might be a police force and justice system exists) and put bigots and extremists on the run - whether they are dissident loyalists or dissident republicans.
McGuinness and Adams have no been prepared to come fully clean on their more than shady pasts but I trust that they are now totally behind normal peaceful democratic government. Northern Ireland has a hell of a way to go yet before a United Ireland can begin to be considered.
The sooner the generation on both sides who were directing the troubles are gone and a new generation of politicians and leaders replace them the better.

[Fenian Army]

Originally Posted by Happyman42

And it's extraordinary to see how many 'Irish' people will reject that this was daily life for their fellow citizens in NI. Denial is a cursed thing.

It's willful blindness out of guilt.

It affected many people, take our current president Michael D Higgins for example, very vocal on issues like apartheid and Palestine, but more quiet on the things going on in Ireland.

And he was one of the good ones, a decent, empathic, caring man. (I like him)

There are a lot of better examples of the the of carry on I mention, but he is the highest profile.

[Fenian Army]

You've taken a swerve away from your former nationalist viewpoint K-9 since you became a mod!

You used to be cool!

[K-9]

Originally Posted by Border-Rat

Care to back up this allegation?

Apologies, thought it was you.

When have I done this?

Just a general comment.

You deemed the 'cause' unjust. Now you're backtracking.

If not seeing things in black and white is back tracking, so be it.

Typically, anyone from Ireland who supports the Downing St viewpoint re: The Troubles is a Unionist. So no, it appears you don't get the concept. Kudos on making it this far without ambiguous infractions though.

I don't think you get me. Many people use the phrase about freedom fighters and terrorists as a general comment, that is a general comment against it. Ambiguous infractions?

You've just backtracked on the Bogside.

Nope, the Bogside wasn't just about a United Ireland, plenty of other people involved. There's a big difference between the Bogside and Enniskillen

[K-9]

Originally Posted by Happyman42

Says he that dragged it off topic in the first place. But sure if the issue has to be avoided.....

You made comments about your political idols, I just pointed out they are politicians. I didn't realise how much of a politicial pop idols you hold them up as.

Absolutely not....I don't trust his testimony or anybody from British Intelligence. That's the price you pay for messing with the truth on previous occaisions.

And McGuinness never told a lie in his life.

Originally Posted by Fenian Army

You've taken a swerve away from your former nationalist viewpoint K-9 since you became a mod!

You used to be cool!

Should have known not to get dragged into a Take that like fanboy debate!