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01-05-2012, 16:37   #31
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Do you put the the red coloured blinkers on first thing in the morning or just when you use boards?
I figure no more so than you putting on thoe rose colored classes and singing Kumbaya to the socialism mantra.

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Nationalise GM and Chrysler- He bailed them out, which has turned out to be a massive success.
Hmmm… President Barack Obama forced GM into bankruptcy, fired the executives, and put the government "behind the wheel" of the company. Some would consider that nationalizing GM… I figure Obama calls it just another Monday. And a "success"... perhaps for the unions.

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Nationalise health care - complete nonsense.
With the arrival of government-run exchanges in 2014, the government will use its regulatory, pricing, and taxing authority to favor its own plan. And would make it difficult, if not impossible for private health plans to compete and prompt businesses to switch to cheaper, public alternative. I’m looking at a $15,000 family play for employees versus a $3,000 penalty. Sadly, just a no-brainer. Just a fancy way of nationalizing health care in my opinion.

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Shut down the coal industry - again nonsense. The coal industry is working away just fine.
Oh yeah… all those new emissions regulations have now forced coal-fired power plant operators to choose between installing pollution control equipment which is far too costly, switch to natural gas which is again far too costly, or shutting down their plants (BINGO!). "Just fine"… my god, six coal-fired plants are now scheduled to shut down in my state so far… nothing to see here… please move along?

"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted." - Barack Obama 2008. At least there’s one campaign promise Obama kept.

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Shutting down gulf coast oil exploration - I think you'll find it was BP that sparked that one.
Again… who shut down gulf coast oil exploration?

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"attacking the sovereignty of Congress, attacking the independence of the Supreme Court, and his constant ruling by executive dictate" - None of this is even slightly true.
Where have you been? Don’t you remember Obama’s attack on the Supreme Court recently calling them "and unelected group of people would somehow overturn a duly constituted and passed law," or his constant use of executive powers to sidestep Congress and our laws.
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01-05-2012, 18:56   #32
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I figure no more so than you putting on thoe rose colored classes and singing Kumbaya to the socialism mantra.
Kumbaya is a christian song. In my dreamed of socialist Utopia religion will be a thing of the past. I wake up every morning and sing "The Red Flag".

I have no idea what a debate on Obama's presidency has to do with Socialism by the way. He's no socialist.


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Hmmm… President Barack Obama forced GM into bankruptcy, fired the executives, and put the government "behind the wheel" of the company. Some would consider that nationalizing GM… I figure Obama calls it just another Monday. And a "success"... perhaps for the unions.
Some might well consider that nationalising GM, but they'd be flat wrong. The government lent GM enough money to keep operating. This money was then repaid when GM returned to profitability. The entire thing was a huge success. If you want to take pot shots at the Obama presidency, this is a terrible place to start. Didn't the government even turn a profit on the bailout?

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With the arrival of government-run exchanges in 2014, the government will use its regulatory, pricing, and taxing authority to favor its own plan. And would make it difficult, if not impossible for private health plans to compete and prompt businesses to switch to cheaper, public alternative. I’m looking at a $15,000 family play for employees versus a $3,000 penalty. Sadly, just a no-brainer. Just a fancy way of nationalizing health care in my opinion.
Government health insurance does not equal a nationalised health care system. I think you need to actually look into a nationalised healthcare system like the NHS in Britain to realise just how wide of the mark you are.



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Oh yeah… all those new emissions regulations have now forced coal-fired power plant operators to choose between installing pollution control equipment which is far too costly, switch to natural gas which is again far too costly, or shutting down their plants (BINGO!). "Just fine"… my god, six coal-fired plants are now scheduled to shut down in my state so far… nothing to see here… please move along?


"So if somebody wants to build a coal-powered plant, they can; it's just that it will bankrupt them because they're going to be charged a huge sum for all that greenhouse gas that's being emitted." - Barack Obama 2008. At least there’s one campaign promise Obama kept.
Well now, I admit I could be wrong on that one. But what's your alternative? Allow the pollution to continue? The obvious answer is to spend the money on research into alternative fuels wouldn't you say? I doubt you would say though.


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Again… who shut down gulf coast oil exploration?
It wasn't shut down for a start. Only some rigs were closed temporarily, the moratorium was lifted.

http://articles.latimes.com/2010/oct...orium-20101013

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The moratorium affected about 36 rigs in the Gulf of Mexico that were exploring new reservoirs of oil and gas in water deeper than 500 feet. Extraction of oil and gas in the gulf, which accounts for a third of domestic oil production, continued largely unabated.

So I ask you; who shut down the gulf of Mexico oil exploration? When was it shutdown?


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Where have you been? Don’t you remember Obama’s attack on the Supreme Court recently calling them "and unelected group of people would somehow overturn a duly constituted and passed law," or his constant use of executive powers to sidestep Congress and our laws.
He didn't attack the Supreme Court, he commented on it's actions. It's complete hyperbole to suggest otherwise.

Give me specific examples of him "side stepping congress".


You have taken the position that everything single thing that Obama did was wrong, which as I said before is completely blinkered.
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Again… who shut down gulf coast oil exploration?
googling Gulf Coast Exploration:

http://www.usnews.com/news/articles/...ploration-deal
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I have no idea what a debate on Obama's presidency has to do with Socialism by the way. He's no socialist.

Some might well consider that nationalising GM, but they'd be flat wrong.

Government health insurance does not equal a nationalised health care system. I think you need to actually look into a nationalised healthcare system like the NHS in Britain to realise just how wide of the mark you are.
Frustrating isnt it? The amount of misinformation and downright lies Fox News perpetuates.

The american right wingers have whole new definitions of "socialism" and "democracy" that are solely their own.

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West Virginia held a democratic primary on Tuesday. 2 candidates on the ballot. Barack Obama and Keith Judd. Keith Judd is currently in jail in Texas. The most important thing about Judd is that he's white. Judd got 40%. For those who don't know, WV is full of hillbillies.
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Shutting down gulf coast oil exploration - I think you'll find it was BP that sparked that one.
Hmmm... Now it might appear that the 6 month ban by the White House administration on deepwater drilling after the BP spill, costing 19,000 jobs and $1.1 billion in lost wages might just have been based on the White House's false rewriting of a drilling report so they could mislead the public. Hopefully the House will dig deeper into this, and hopefully the "most transparent" White House adminsitration ever won't continue to thwart continual requests from Congress to get to the bottom of their many questionable moves.

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/05/11...ied-jobs-died/
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Hmmm... Now it might appear that the 6 month ban by the White House administration on deepwater drilling after the BP spill, costing 19,000 jobs and $1.1 billion in lost wages might just have been based on the White House's false rewriting of a drilling report so they could mislead the public. Hopefully the House will dig deeper into this, and hopefully the "most transparent" White House adminsitration ever won't continue to thwart continual requests from Congress to get to the bottom of their many questionable moves.

http://michellemalkin.com/2012/05/11...ied-jobs-died/
So that's your only argument with all of the points I made in my post? That the WH lied and you back it up with Michelle Malkin as a source? That's laughable.
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So that's your only argument with all of the points I made in my post? That the WH lied and you back it up with Michelle Malkin as a source? That's laughable.
Just taking my time, and I’ll tackle them a little at a time when time allows. Don’t want to get the dander up of some all at once.

Funny, I thought the actual scans of government official correspondence, connected with this apparent scandal, would have been more persuasive than the fact they were displayed by Michelle Malkin… silly me… my bad. But do you really think media outlets like The New York Times, WaPo, Huffington Post, MSNBC or the big three ABC, CBS or NBC would actually take the lead and report on something like this without being forced to? I think not… it doesn’t fit with their ideals and agenda.
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Great news for Romney. His Gallup favourability rating is up to 50%, a big spike. I still think he'll need bad economic news to win, but right now the downballot effect could help the republicans take over the senate.
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Great news for Romney. His Gallup favourability rating is up to 50%, a big spike. I still think he'll need bad economic news to win, but right now the downballot effect could help the republicans take over the senate.
Its funny really. Romney's hopes rest on his ability to keep his supporters at arms length. If the tea party movement re-emerges in all of its 2010 glory, he will lose. That 50% is very soft indeed. I still think Obama will win comfortably.
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Its funny really. Romney's hopes rest on his ability to keep his supporters at arms length. If the tea party movement re-emerges in all of its 2010 glory, he will lose. That 50% is very soft indeed. I still think Obama will win comfortably.
Right now I think Obama will win all his 2008 states except for Florida, Indiana and North Carolina.
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Its funny really. Romney's hopes rest on his ability to keep his supporters at arms length. If the tea party movement re-emerges in all of its 2010 glory, he will lose. That 50% is very soft indeed. I still think Obama will win comfortably.
Right now I think Obama will win all his 2008 states except for Florida, Indiana and North Carolina.
I don't think he'll lose florida. That's based on no real evidence.
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I don't think he'll lose florida. That's based on no real evidence.
Based on no real evidence? What about polling and trending?
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Great news for Romney. His Gallup favourability rating is up to 50%, a big spike. I still think he'll need bad economic news to win, but right now the downballot effect could help the republicans take over the senate.
Was reading a piece from Time Magazine suggesting that's largely just keeping out of sight and out of mind!
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I don't think he'll lose florida. That's based on no real evidence.
Based on no real evidence? What about polling and trending?
Well it's even enough in the polls:

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epo...bama-1883.html

Romneys social conservatism won't swing it for him in Florida.
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