Originally Posted by PDN
I'm not sure where you're getting the material for your strawman here. We deserve to be punished for being selfish, for lying, for cheating and all the other sins we choose to commit - not for "not worshipping God enough".
I was more so following the 'accepting God's salvation' line rather than 'not worshipping God enough', but fair enough, that comment was probably too flippant. However, three of the commandments are about worshipping God, so not worshipping God is a sin. Even if you committed no other sins throughout your whole life, those are still sins and could see you sent to Hell, no?
As for "We deserve to be punished for being selfish, for lying, for cheating and all the other sins we choose to commit"... this is part of the reason I dislike religion. Why does religion make you feel so bad about yourself? You're the second person on this page to say that we deserve to be punished. Again, if we are born with sin, born to sin, or simply have the ability to sin at all, that's on God. He created us. He made us. He created the entire universe and every eternal soul... yet he can't fix that problem?
Probably be accused of building another strawman here, but what the hey:
You get married, your wife gives birth, the baby has some genetic defect. Do you blame the child? You created it. Your genetics led to that defect. You were the creator of that child. Does the child deserve to be punished for that? The child has free will, yet the genetic defect means it sometimes does things it shouldn't do. Does the child deserve to be punished? Does the child deserve to be made to feel bad about things it didn't choose to be born with? The child knows you love them, but that you also punish them for something they were made with.
It's the exact same thing. God created us. We are God's children. We are born with sin. We are punished for sin. Sinning, is in our nature and as you said, we deserve to be punished for it. Yet, we got that sin from God. He created us with sin in our nature. And he punishes us for it. Everlasting... eternal... punishment... for something he gave us. We are made to feel bad (like I said, two of you have said "We deserve to be punished") for something God created us with.
We deserve to be punished? No. God deserves to be punished.
Originally Posted by PDN
You have an eternal soul. You get to choose whether that immortal soul spends eternity with God or without God. Sounds more than fair to me.
Again, Hell is a loaded gun to your head. Fair choice, live or die. I could easily choose either option. But the choices are not equally balanced. "Do as I say or suffer for eternity". That a fair choice?
God is the one who chooses what is right or wrong. So he gives us free will to decide what to do, but if we don't do things as he said we do, we suffer for eternity in Hell. That's not a fair choice.