Originally Posted by OldNotWIse
Er...I'm actually female so you can keep the "son" to yourself (though even addressing a male in this way is quite patronising, and quite telling of your argumentative style that you have to resort to such patronising ways)
Again the only person patronising is the one coming in here declaring there is something "wrong" with me and I "left my heart" at home when all I did was support something you said (I was not even disagreeing with you at the time) by reference to an example on THIS thread.
So I happily stand by the comments I made. I did nothing wrong and you have no derailed discussion by going on an off topic attack about whether I am emotionally sound or not.
So let me put it back on the rails by returning to what the point ACTUALLY was at the time.
You were talking about how women, using your mother as an example, when they miscarry can be emotionally invested in the event. Even at early stages in the pregnancy.
My only point in the reply to that was to actually wholly agree with you.... which makes a mockery of your "points scoring" accusation.
I used an example of someone who has been posting on this thread to support the position we both agree with. The idea was to show that the emotional investment not only exists but can powerfully overwhelm rationality to the point that such women will actually feel emotional turmoil over things that are patently not true and will even indicate their intellectual unwillingness to be divested of that either. The emotions can be so strong to the point a user like that can say on this thread that although she knows there is no reason whatsoever to think a 12 week old fetus can feel any pain whatsoever she STILL indicates that "nothing will convince" her that the fetus did not undergo a lot of pain.
My point leading from there was to show that this kind of intellectual dissonance... where a person can hold two completely different and incompatible things in their head at the same time... is certainly a problem in the realm of discourse on abortion topics. Equally therefore it should be recognized that while people might become that emotionally invested... one person believing for nothing but emotional reasons that the fetus can feel pain therefore does nothing but cloud rather than further discourse on the topic and we have to be aware of that and deal with it.
What certainly will not help such discussions of course is you wading in making crass generalizations about my emotional state and capabilities. Again I repeat the most important retort to this which I said in post 1048. Just because I am discussing the intellectual response to such things does not mean I am precluded from having, or never had, an emotional one. If one is going to enter into discussions on topics like abortion however one must be aware of such emotions and... while not becoming an emotionless unreacting automoton... must maintain a clear awareness of when and where to apply such things and when and where to step back and say "While you have my sympathy.... and you do.... this simply is not applicable in the debate".